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[Typhlon]

So the binaries have dropped with the ability to fire 3 without ghost heat, rather than the 2 that was announced/intended. This is, for a game two days from entering the competitive season, unbelievable. To miss that in this extremely simple, easy to read, and easy to CORRECT, file is an extreme and frankly alarming oversight, when that code should have been checked, double checked, and triple checked prior to release, as a single typo could completely destabilize the game. (Oops, 180 damage instead of 18! My bad.)




Now on its own, that's a huge problem and indicates a worrying lack of care and attention from the programmer(s) responsible, and a worrying lack of oversight and playtesting for what should have been a very easy to spot issue. But for the response to be THIS? There are multiple people, myself included, whose frustration with the blatant lack of care and professionalism shown here is to the point that many of us are considering leaving the game behind.



It is at the point that we believe that this is intentional; not everyone here might know this, but last month it was found that Clan Assault MASC was accidentally dropped to 1/10th the accuracy penalty it should have. Despite this being a KNOWN issue, it remains unfixed and continues to further inflate the strength of mechs like the Koloss. This is the EXACT same type of mistake - a single incorrect entry - as the binary HSL, and would take barely a minute to fix for the next patch. So if it was known to be incorrect, would be very easy to fix, but was still not fixed, then I can only assume that it was either intentional from the start or that nobody cares enough to fix it. Both of these possibilities are Very Bad for a competitive game to be taken seriously.

Both Tiyos and Navid play this game. Competitively, and with competitive teams (Tiyos was on the 3rd place team, ABIN, last year, and Navid is a member of JGx who got 1st). For them to be making these updates/changes, with no oversight or accountability, is a gargantuan conflict of interest, and that is the ultimate problem.



To be clear, I am not negatively impacted by the HSL. I am a very high level IS main who mostly plays FP, and who loves IS laser vomit. I benefit greatly here. But the random QP pugs getting cored out by 80 alpha lasers or 100 alpha HAG vomit? They'll have a much worse time than I will.

The bugged HSL can, and will, affect the upcoming competitive season. It's not game breaking, but it will have impact. It is also an extremely easy fix. Those of us here hope that it is quickly fixed, and if it is then our worries will be greatly reduced. But we are extremely concerned that it will be left as is until the next patch about a month from now, or that it won't be fixed at all. And frankly, that level of disregard for the basic integrity of the game is not something which everyone here is willing to deal with.

Edit: Removed "credibly believe" - I meant to say 'credulously' (to convey sincere belief, but even 'credulously' isn't exactly the right word) as opposed to 'credibly', which implies that there is hard evidence that it was actually intentional. To be clear, there is not, but it is a concern that a lot of us share.

Edit 2: Added more context to the bugged MASC thing, as that's very important to the overall concern here.

Edit 3: Yo T-Comps don't even work on Binaries OR XPulses lmao come on did you literally not test it at all besides the demo stream?

Edited by Typhlon, 25 August 2023 - 02:37 PM.

[RickySpanish]

Absolutely. I could not agree more! As numerous threads on this forum have recently shown, there's a concerted effort to shift the game in favour of a very particular play style. This is just another step in that direction! Did you notice how the Scaleshot didn't even get LRM quirks DESPITE being THE best Viper variant for missiles? There's even the energy slot for a TAG that Tiyos put a pulse laser into, just to troll. I mean how *dare* he?

[Thiccacuga]

Bro they can't even clean their sound defs up or spell Gauss right what makes you think they gonna do anything about the BLC issue?

[Vite Ramen]

This is a grave injustice you have dealt to the game balance. We the people demand a hotfix that adds hsl+1 to all other lasers to restore the equilibrium.

[Tiy0s]

Posting this on my personal and not my dev account because it's not about PGI, but my own personal response to this.



You're taking a screenshot of a single post I've made in an entire conversation about the balance of these new weapons. If you actually read the conversation, you'd know that I am beating myself up incredibly because of accidentally letting this change slip by me. People telling me I've ruined the integrity of their championship series opener, cauldron members calling it a catastrophe, and who knows what else. I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

These weapons were my first major project since joining PGI that I took the initiative on, and I wanted them to do as well as they could. And I'm mostly satisfied with how they turned out despite a few glaring issues that we're fixing in September.

So I'm sorry I made a single post alleviating it with humor as I beat myself up on this issue, and I'm sorry that the single post of me trying to deal with it through humor is all that you cared to read.

[RickySpanish]

Tiy0s, on 22 August 2023 - 03:52 PM, said:

Posting this on my personal and not my dev account because it's not about PGI, but my own personal response to this.



You're taking a screenshot of a single post I've made in an entire conversation about the balance of these new weapons. If you actually read the conversation, you'd know that I am beating myself up incredibly because of accidentally letting this change slip by me. People telling me I've ruined the integrity of their championship series opener, cauldron members calling it a catastrophe, and who knows what else. I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

These weapons were my first major project since joining PGI that I took the initiative on, and I wanted them to do as well as they could. And I'm mostly satisfied with how they turned out despite a few glaring issues that we're fixing in September.

So I'm sorry I made a single post alleviating it with humor as I beat myself up on this issue, and I'm sorry that the single post of me trying to deal with it through humor is all that you cared to read.

This is possibly one of the best patches ever, so don't be worrying about people with nothing positive to contribute.

[Heavy Money]

Tiy0s, on 22 August 2023 - 03:52 PM, said:

Posting this on my personal and not my dev account because it's not about PGI, but my own personal response to this.



You're taking a screenshot of a single post I've made in an entire conversation about the balance of these new weapons. If you actually read the conversation, you'd know that I am beating myself up incredibly because of accidentally letting this change slip by me. People telling me I've ruined the integrity of their championship series opener, cauldron members calling it a catastrophe, and who knows what else. I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

These weapons were my first major project since joining PGI that I took the initiative on, and I wanted them to do as well as they could. And I'm mostly satisfied with how they turned out despite a few glaring issues that we're fixing in September.

So I'm sorry I made a single post alleviating it with humor as I beat myself up on this issue, and I'm sorry that the single post of me trying to deal with it through humor is all that you cared to read.

Well I'm too busy with work to play Comp this season so I'm biased. But I don't think you should beat yourself up too badly. I know well how easy it is to let a parameter mistake like this slip through.

Its going to be a bit silly but I don't think its going to ruin the whole game.

[Typhlon]

Tiy0s, on 22 August 2023 - 03:52 PM, said:

Posting this on my personal and not my dev account because it's not about PGI, but my own personal response to this.



You're taking a screenshot of a single post I've made in an entire conversation about the balance of these new weapons. If you actually read the conversation, you'd know that I am beating myself up incredibly because of accidentally letting this change slip by me. People telling me I've ruined the integrity of their championship series opener, cauldron members calling it a catastrophe, and who knows what else. I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

These weapons were my first major project since joining PGI that I took the initiative on, and I wanted them to do as well as they could. And I'm mostly satisfied with how they turned out despite a few glaring issues that we're fixing in September.

So I'm sorry I made a single post alleviating it with humor as I beat myself up on this issue, and I'm sorry that the single post of me trying to deal with it through humor is all that you cared to read.

Look if it's affecting you personally that's a shame, and personal attacks are not my intent, but this is a company and you are representing it, personal account or no. If whatever system for patching PGI has in place doesn't allow for hotfixes between monthly patches, then everything should be checked, double checked, playtested, and then checked again before going live. This isn't "mistyping a 4 instead of a 3," this is mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 and then failing to catch it, and not only that but everyone around you failing to catch it. That is, like I said, very worrying to a community.

And what remains more worrying is that Clan Assault MASC still remains in its "accidentally" overtuned state, despite it being a known issue, caused by a "typo." How is the community supposed to have faith that this issue will be fixed when that hasn't? How are we supposed to have faith that it was even an accident to begin with when the previous "accidental typo" is clearly now the intended working condition?

For your personal well-being, I wish the best. But for allowing this to get through? I, and the rest of the community, have every right to be worried.

[snek]

abins

[Thiccacuga]

Tiy0s, on 22 August 2023 - 03:52 PM, said:

Posting this on my personal and not my dev account because it's not about PGI, but my own personal response to this.



You're taking a screenshot of a single post I've made in an entire conversation about the balance of these new weapons. If you actually read the conversation, you'd know that I am beating myself up incredibly because of accidentally letting this change slip by me. People telling me I've ruined the integrity of their championship series opener, cauldron members calling it a catastrophe, and who knows what else. I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

These weapons were my first major project since joining PGI that I took the initiative on, and I wanted them to do as well as they could. And I'm mostly satisfied with how they turned out despite a few glaring issues that we're fixing in September.

So I'm sorry I made a single post alleviating it with humor as I beat myself up on this issue, and I'm sorry that the single post of me trying to deal with it through humor is all that you cared to read.

You mispelled Gauss three times you gonna make me cope.

[Jormangunder]

I think we should just embrace it's current state and update/correct the weapon announcement, upgrading Binary Laser Cannons HSL.

[J a y]

A dev is being targeted because the biggest patch in at least half of a decade has a bug that made a weapon OP? Sheesh, imagine if you guys played when the clan first came out and 14 different weapon systems were INTENTIONALLY OP!

[Jormangunder]

J a y, on 22 August 2023 - 05:50 PM, said:

A dev is being targeted because the biggest patch in at least half of a decade has a bug that made a weapon OP? Sheesh, imagine if you guys played when the clan first came out and 14 different weapon systems were INTENTIONALLY OP!

Jay has the right of it. We got the biggest update this game has seen in a LONG time. I'm thankful and don't find it hard to have some understanding for the hard working folks updating and improving this game. PGI is better for having FrostByte and I am ******* excited to be playing this game right now!

[pbiggz]

I dont really care either way but christ the tone of this thread is infuriating. There are few communities as infantile and self-important as the MWO community and every time something changes you guys march out the same "im a victim" sign. Even if OP is right, you guys have to find a way to communicate without dogpiling a dev and acting like 12 year olds or nobody is going to want to listen to you as a rule.

[Typhlon]

J a y, on 22 August 2023 - 05:50 PM, said:

A dev is being targeted because the biggest patch in at least half of a decade has a bug that made a weapon OP? Sheesh, imagine if you guys played when the clan first came out and 14 different weapon systems were INTENTIONALLY OP!

I did, I stopped playing for like two years

[MyriadDigits]

Typhlon, on 22 August 2023 - 04:58 PM, said:

Look if it's affecting you personally that's a shame, and personal attacks are not my intent,

Dude, you straight up claim in the OP that you believe this typo was intentional. How is that not meant to be interpreted as a personal attack?

[feeWAIVER]

Tiy0s, on 22 August 2023 - 03:52 PM, said:

I'm probably going to end up taking a sick day on community outreach because of how much negative community feedback I've had sent to me directly about the mistake of mistyping a 4 instead of a 3 on a weapon stat.

lol Millennials.

This guy called it:

SirEpicPwner, on 14 August 2023 - 07:42 PM, said:

Comp queue this year gonna be spicy.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 22 August 2023 - 07:49 PM.

[pbiggz]

Typhlon, on 22 August 2023 - 06:22 PM, said:

I did, I stopped playing for like two years

Got it so you are just here to air your imagined grievances.

[CFC Conky]

@Tiy0s,

Don’t worry about it, mistakes happen.



@OP,

With all due respect, do you game code for a living? If you do/did, was your work always error-free?

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[Typhlon]

Typhlon, on 22 August 2023 - 06:22 PM, said:

I did, I stopped playing for like two years

pbiggz, on 22 August 2023 - 07:58 PM, said:

Got it so you are just here to air your imagined grievances.

idk what to even say lol, you tell me not to talk like a 12 year old and then drop the biggest non sequitur I've ever seen

I don't feel Attacked by Binary HSL being wrong, if anything I actually benefit since I'm an IS main who does a lot of FP but that's not the point - the point is that I play this game competitively. A lot of people do. A lot of people who spend a lot of money on the game. And many of them do not feel like it's worth sticking around if this is what we can expect - easy-to-catch typos throwing the game off during a comp season with valuable rewards, with no hotfix to address what is a 1-character fix for the entire season.

I love this game. I want it to succeed. And I want PGI to understand that for it to have the best shot at succeeding, they need some basic quality control and basic trust with the community.

And I bring it back to trust with this: why has the Clan Assault MASC not been fixed? It is a known issue, it was claimed to be a typo, this was known to be the case, and it was not fixed in the patch. So either they just don't care about fixing it, or this is the intended state. Both are bad (apathy, incompetence, or dishonesty, pick yours), but why should I trust that Binary HSL will get fixed in a month when this exact thing happened last month and didn't get fixed? Because it is a very bad look for a programmer (who plays the game) to make a mistake like this and then not fix it.



I've said all I have to say about it, Tiyos has already made clear that it won't be fixed till September so there's nothing else to do but wait and make the displeasure known. Because hopefully, if people take this seriously, then we will see improvements going forward and have a better time in the game as a competitive community. My goal here is to alert PGI to the fact that this isn't just being ignored by the community, and that come September, if this does not get fixed, there will be very little faith left among many of the game's longest-staying players.

Edited by Typhlon, 22 August 2023 - 10:22 PM.