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[Risen Trash]

"But I'm a brawler and we need brawler maps and I've got this rash from humping my..."

Let me just stop you there.

Solaris City is not a map "for brawlers." Brawlers know how to close with the enemy. It's part of what makes being a good brawler matter. If you need maps like Solaris City to gently deposit your enemy within 300m in order to win, you are not a good brawler at all.

What's more, good "brawling" is about circling, stagger stepping, pacing, and twisting. There's really no room for any of that in Solaris City. The enemy is always either down the alley in front of you or down the alley behind you. That's not a brawl; that's a place no sane commander would commit their armor.

Solaris City offers zero immersion. There are city blocks that stretch over an uninterrupted kilometer. Who designed this layout, Kafka? For as low res as MW:O is, River City feels like a city. Crimson Strait feels like a city. Solaris feels like Tron. 80's arcade Tron that is, not the movie. Its obviously a pile of huge polygons arranged to produce an endless series of chokepoints. There's no high ground, no strategic value to any of it. Even with those crappy club lighting effects slapped on, even with the lights down as low as you can dim them, its just the endless shunting of players, from chokepoint to chokepoint, like so much cattle through the chutes, toward the central killing floor.

If someone made a map as dumb as this for TT, I'd put whatever mechs you want against their BV's worth of jump infantry and beat you bad every time.

Solaris isn't for brawlers. It's for big bads who want to face hug and spam alpha without having to close, and for little bads who want to spam alpha into your back and run away without having to disengage.

I put that.

Also you need to see someone about that rash.

[An6ryMan69]

Solaris is completely vanilla for me. I'll take it over Rubellite Oasis or Free World's Colosseum or any version of Terra Therma any day. And I'm not a brawler. I've even done quite well on Solaris with a dedicated LRM boat if I stay out of the middle.

And, you cant take the game too seriously or look at it too logically...this is a combat game where firing your own weapons can make you explode...enough said...

Edited by An6ryMan69, 27 June 2023 - 09:32 AM.

[Risen Trash]

An6ryMan69, on 27 June 2023 - 09:28 AM, said:

I've even done quite well on Solaris.

Oh, I have plenty of good matches on Solaris. Wins, kills, assists, components, all o' dat. I just don't enjoy them as much. When I have to drop into Solaris City, however well I perform, the only sense of accomplishment I feel is in leaving Solaris City as quickly as possible.

[SafeScanner]

ahh the solaris maze how much i love you and vex me at the same time

[TheCaptainJZ]

It's like they designed a map first, then decided to call it a "city" later. It should look and feel more like MW5's cities.

[LordNothing]

only thing i dont like about it is all the narrow gaps. i think id extend the overpass system to 5 layers rather than 2. so you can open up more routes by using the vertical space.

[Duke Falcon]

Solaris iz annoying. Because the many points where whole teams "try" to stuck and end up in a funny, happy massacre.
But the skycrapers there should be penetratable for mechs. Would be more funny when a Stalker suddenly appears through one of those ugly, dumb skycrapers!

the check engine light, on 27 June 2023 - 11:14 AM, said:

The wrongness in the OP made baby Blake cry.

It has opportunity for pretty much anything that isn't LRMs and even LRMs can do work. It's a great map to be a jumpy fast medium or light, even nimble jumpy heavies make great use of it (favorite map for the Thunderbolt 10SE). It could stand to be improved but I like it.

Actually LRMs and ATMs workz pretty well there. Just need to evade the "stuck-stack" and they work just fine.

[Vonbach]

All I heard was "I CANT SNIPE WAAAAAHHHHH"

[sycocys]

Its like Atlantic City or Vegas merged with the find your way out map from a Denny's placemat.

At least it's not the long standing s-show that is Alpine they refuse to address.

[LordNothing]

Vonbach, on 27 June 2023 - 10:55 PM, said:

All I heard was "I CANT SNIPE WAAAAAHHHHH"

even brawling sucks on the map. because of all the narrow passages. tiny chokes with long sight lines are bad. there are others that are better where you got a covered exit where you are unlikely to meet more than a couple enemies simultaneously. the problem is when you get a murderball stacked up on a single choke, and the resulting bottleneck usually gets whoever is closest to it killed. if you bight off more than you can chew there is no way in hell to retreat, push in and hope the team does the same is your only option. 9 times out of 10 they dont. brawling is a lot better on maps like rubellite, tourmaline, or mining colony, and the thing about those maps is they support almost every playstyle in the game. id rather be a brawler on one of those maps.

Edited by LordNothing, 28 June 2023 - 10:32 AM.

[DollaMenunaire]

I don't know if I agree that the map is "for bads", but I do know I absolutely loathe that map. Even maps I suck at I can find enjoyment in, but Solaris just feels like a struggle. Can't see ****, get stuck on ramps, body blocks are gonna happen

[Blood Rose]

Risen Trash, on 27 June 2023 - 09:12 AM, said:

[a lot of noise].

*Ahem*
Please let me translate
"WAAAA I cant stand off half a map away and PPFLD damage into the peasants WAAAA"

[Ihlrath]

This is an awful lot of words to just say "I can't shoot people from across the map and I don't like that."

Is the map perfect, laughable to even think that. But its one major advantage is that it generally stumps the bad snipers. Good ones still find ways to ply their trade. I've seen so many 'lol git gud scrub' posts when people are irritated by the long range meta long range fire above average length of shooting range and the shout downs they receive so this is ironic... and amusing.

[Vonbach]

Almost literally every other map caters to snipers. You don't need every single map in the game to cater to sniping.
Pretty much ever single brawler map in this game has been turned into a sniper map. You can deal with one map
where sniping is at a disadvantage.

[Risen Trash]

the check engine light, on 27 June 2023 - 11:14 AM, said:

The wrongness in the OP made baby Blake cry.

How many mechs do you own? There is no lore here.

Blood Rose, on 29 June 2023 - 12:38 PM, said:

Please let me translate

Ihlrath, on 29 June 2023 - 03:06 PM, said:

This is an awful lot of words to just say "I can't shoot people from across the map and I don't like that."

I suppose I could have just said what you think I said and it'd be fewer words, but then I wouldn't be saying what I wanted to say, and not making the points I wanted to make, then you in turn wouldn't have to read it and think about what someone else said and respond in kind. That back and forth is why I love the internet: real conversations with people who don't always agree. It's not for everyone, that's cool.

I understand that around here there's a lot of people saying the same things over and over and we all can get comfy saying the same things back. I hope you'll have patience with the some of us for whom it all starts to sound like the coo and bleat of barnyard animals comforting themselves and each other.

You could challenge yourself to respond to the actual post and the statements made, but I know its easier to just say I really meant something you'd rather talk about and keep on riffing like you never missed a beat. I can't stop you from doing that, but you should know it's only at best making you look clever, never smart.

Vonbach, on 29 June 2023 - 03:12 PM, said:

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You can deal with one map where sniping is at a disadvantage.

I don't feel disadvantaged. I do fine sniping on Solaris. What's more, I can always run SPL and SRM. One thing is for certain, though: whatever my build, whatever my playstyle, and whatever my final score, Solaris City is, has been, and will remain, a suck map for the reasons I've stated.

Edited by Risen Trash, 02 July 2023 - 02:57 PM.

[BLACKR0SE]

If I have a suitable mech underneath me, I love every map. I have no complaints about closer or farther maps. It doesn't matter if they are big or small. If I don't have a suitable mech underneath me, I don't like any map.

I'm not Huduni. I'm a regular individual. I play games to derive pleasure, not to subject myself to torment.

[Risen Trash]

the check engine light, on 02 July 2023 - 02:55 PM, said:

>takes a one off joke as a srs lore reference

Opinion discarded, will also vote Solaris City more to upset you

Reads snarky response to own snark, gets triggered.

I think you've always been voting for Solaris City at every opportunity. Cope springs eternal!

[RickySpanish]

Solaris offers some interesting verticality while still favouring corner peaking most of the time. E.g. You might be able to ridge peak on the ramps in a short 'Mech like the Incubus, but not really. It has an interesting layout and no particularly 'really bad place' that's always a no-go, like low ground inbetween ramps on Mining. It's a good map, you should have picked something more controversial to complain about, like Canyon.

[Risen Trash]

RickySpanish, on 02 July 2023 - 05:05 PM, said:

It's a good map, you should have picked something more controversial to complain about.

If it's a good map, why isn't it controversial to say it sucks? Maybe you're being sarcastic and I'm missing it, but it reads like you wanted to say its good, but just couldn't bring yourself to write a whole sentence of full-throated support of Solaris City. Probably because deep down you know its a tossed salad.

See, if you don't think it's controversial to say Solaris sucks, then it reads like you're kind of acknowledging that Solaris sucks.

Most of the defenses of Solaris City I've seen here are the usual thinly-veiled whinge about snipers. The rest come down to jump jets...

the check engine light, on 27 June 2023 - 11:14 AM, said:

It's a great map to be a jumpy fast medium or light, even nimble jumpy heavies

...your own included...

RickySpanish, on 02 July 2023 - 05:05 PM, said:

Solaris offers some interesting verticality

I take all this to mean "no jump jets= no fun."

I don't think any map can be called "good" if it requires a specific piece of kit in order to enjoy it. Is it possible you don't see that it's really a map comprised almost entirely of "really bad places," except the high spots you love because you're kitted with JJ's?

[PocketYoda]

Solaris would be a million times better if they got rid of all those stupid overpasses.