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[Besh]

"What" ? might be a common reaction reading this Thread's title . If it is YOUR reaction, this post is for you .

Why even bring up the idea of sportsmanship in connection with MW:O ?

Well . MW:O is a teambased PvP FPS . Obviously, it resembles iRL teamsports in many ways . But there is more . The competitive Scene has contributed and is contributing a great deal of effort and input, massively contributing to keeping MW:O alive . Comp in general is a huge positive for MW:O. One could go so far and say there is a drive for MW:O to establish itself as a kindof eSports title .

But ultimately, it comes down to in what kind of general atmosphere and air amongst the playerbase one would want to spend time playing the Game, competing against each other, and participating in the community .

So. Sportsmanship . I'll make it brief .

Have you ever watched an Ice Hockey Game ? Those guys beat each other up for 60 mins, 5x times a Season (sometimes more often), giving each other the hardest time they can while battling it out on the Ice . When its over ? Its all smiles and Handshakes, and many of the greatest Rivals have been and are really good friends . These players do not let any rivalry on the Ice diminish their respect for their opponents - in fact, quite the opposite .

That is sportsmanship .


Another thing that happened in IceHockey that illustrates sportsmanship is the Colorado Avalanche winning the Stanley Cup in 2001 . "How so?" you may ask .

Because of Ray Bourque, and Joe Sakic.

*Huh?*

Ray Bourque is arguably the best defenseman the NHL has seen . One of the GOATs of his Sport . Played 19 Seasons . Hasn't won a Title . In his 20th year, he did . With the Colorado Avalanche, Sakic being Captain of the Team . Now to understand what I am getting at, you need to google

Ray Bourque lifts the Stanley Cup June 9, 2001
( https://youtu.be/4Zg...Uclb3RNczJCnI1L )
and watch that clip .

Look at Joe Sakic once he is given the Cup . He does not want to hoist it himself . He does not even want to pause for the quick photoshoot with the commissioner . All Joe Sakic wants to do is to hand the Cup to Ray Bourque as quick as possible, so that the man can finally hoist it .

That is sportsmanship .


Ok, not so brief, I admit . And I want to bring up one more . Please forgive me, I am german, theres little that unites and excites many of us as much as Football does ( NOT soccer . It is FOOTBALL ! ), so my last example comes from the realm of Soccer World Championships .

In 2014, the German National Team won the 3d WC for Black, Red and Gold. If you want to see the Goal, google
Mario Götze WM 2014 Finale Tor
( https://youtu.be/TEW...8u3G8HbovmcUlIU ) .

A 22 year up and coming supertalent, subbed in as Joker, throws I'd guess over 40mio people in the country into extasy . He IS THE MATCHWINNER . The man who delivers to Germanies most golden generation of players (Neuer, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller to name but a few ) the long awaited Title . What does he say after the Match ends ?

"The Team has earned it . We played a great tournament . Luckily I was able to provide my little contribution to our success ."

That is Sportsmanship .


Forgive me . I am a 53 old man playing a Game I love with you crazy lot . I wish our Game would be soaked a bit more in the spirit of what I consider good sportsmanship in all of its aspects . InGame. On Forums . On discord . When we discuss weapons systems, balancing Changes or whether the Onyx looks awfull or gorgeous .

Respect for each other. Team Spirit . Humbleness .

Ok, done . Go ahead dunk on me diggin up my Jarl's .

Edited by Besh, 10 December 2023 - 04:41 AM.

[Bud Crue]

Besh, on 10 December 2023 - 04:05 AM, said:

... Obviously, it resembles iRL teamsports in many ways ...

You lost me there.

First off, I'm sorry but I don't think MWO was ever a serious contender as an e-sport, no matter what Russ ever believe or said. The 2018 championships (the year us "beer league" players were supposed to be enticed into participating via "stock mode") made that pretty clear (we weren't enticed).

Second, and more relevant to your sportsmanship angle, the game in its present state has the average player (T3) regularly going up against members of the (I'll stick with your hockey motif) 76 Canadians (extreme T1) as well as potentially children just learning to skate (T5) all in a game specifically designed to reward the player for not just beating an opponent, but for doing as much harm to them as possible. Such an environment does not encourage sportsmanship.

Without diving in too much, it seems to me that there is very little about MWO that resembles any IRL team sports, sportsmanship or lack there of being but one distinction. Now excuse me, the last mech is an AFK Atlas that I have to farm as much damage from as I can before the rest of the team gets here. He's got a ping, so he could come back, and I could be a good sport and wait and see if he does, but no. I want the damage and everyone else wants to get on to the next match.

[TheNoob]

This game is one of the least toxic games I have ever played with the least amount of trash talk. No idea why you are talking about this like it is something that needs to be addressed to be entirely blunt.


Look me up on jarls i barely play but every time i do.. i have no real issue with anything.

Edited by TheNoob, 10 December 2023 - 08:14 AM.

[RickySpanish]

Players in general are polite in the game, especially compared to other online games. I don't think the ideals of sportsmanship are lost on the playerbase.

[LordNothing]

i gg and if you find that rude, that's a you problem.

[Horseman]

MWO's playerbase seems a bit more oriented towards this idea than you'd see in the likes of COD or Fortnite. Also, the attitudes betwen casual players and the competitive crowd are clearly different; I would not expect much competitive spirit on random QP matches.

[KingCobra]

Besh GG man MWO has always had good players compared to like Planetside ETC. from time to time you run across a troll or two popping out of his jack in the box but everyone has bad days. Sure, Russ [redacted] is still trying to make MWO a E-Sport through his proxies.

But it never will be one in its current form to be honest no one is interested in a slow FPS Mech game as a viable E-Sport and Russ and crew should revert MWO back to year 1-3 when the game was actually fun and much more balanced and competitive in all game modes that we once had.

[redacted]

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 10 December 2023 - 11:58 PM.

[KursedVixen]

LordNothing, on 10 December 2023 - 10:39 AM, said:

i gg and if you find that rude, that's a you problem.

i don't find it rude i find it over used.


!2vs0-4 stomps are not fun and people saying gg after that is just rubbing salt into the wound

IMHO it's not a gg unless it's 7-12 at least... otherwise it was just a good try not a good game.

Edited by KursedVixen, 10 December 2023 - 02:12 PM.

[Rondoe]

I get what the OP is saying, I think....

I've seen a lot of sportsmanship in this game. Can't count how many times I've overheated and shutdown and the person I'm trying to shoot it out with waits patiently for me to come back online before we start duking it out again-instead of just blasting me to bits while I can't fight.

But I have also seen more times than I count-some random team mate run in front of me while I'm lining up a shot, they fire, I fire, right into their back (hey they ran in front of me) they start backing up and scream and yell that I shot them and I'm in their way of retreat and to gtfo. So I just stand there in my Assualt and let them figure things out on their own.

[Meep Meep]

RickySpanish, on 10 December 2023 - 09:33 AM, said:

Players in general are polite in the game, especially compared to other online games. I don't think the ideals of sportsmanship are lost on the playerbase.

In general yes. When running up an alt the low tiers tend to be happy go lucky and chill with casual voip and everyone having a good time with sportsmanship at a very high level. The closer you get to tier one though the more salt and lack of voip you notice. So the lack of sportsmanship is mostly concentrated at the top with all the tryhards and hyper competitive sweating it out. Thats fine as the elo system mwo uses is quite effective at pairing up the like minded players with each other.

[crazytimes]

Meep Meep, on 10 December 2023 - 05:24 PM, said:

In general yes. When running up an alt the low tiers tend to be happy go lucky and chill with casual voip and everyone having a good time with sportsmanship at a very high level.

My experience running an alt were a bunch of extremely salty mechdads playing terrible builds, a bunch of people trolling newbies in stealth lights, and some randoms grinding the 25 games so they could crap all over VOIP until they get banned.

Perhaps "sportsmanship" means different things in different places... but I'd take people who have some idea how to teamwork over that any day.

[Heavy Money]

There's excellent sportsmanship in Comp despite there being some players with very strong personalities. You'll also even see things in QP or EQ like calling a hold when a lot of ppl DC. I saw this several times in the mediums 3v3/4v4 EQ a couple months ago.

Generally, MWOs communities I've seen on Discord are all very civil compared to most games. Some people stand out as abrasive, but they aren't hard to ignore. Most of the negativity i see in the community is on these forums.

[crazytimes]

Heavy Money, on 10 December 2023 - 08:13 PM, said:

Generally, MWOs communities I've seen on Discord are all very civil compared to most games. Some people stand out as abrasive, but they aren't hard to ignore. Most of the negativity i see in the community is on these forums.

The facebook groups are pretty salty. Some people try and take that to reddit and get emotional when it doesn't work out for them too.

[Besh]

Horseman, on 10 December 2023 - 10:40 AM, said:

MWO's playerbase seems a bit more oriented towards this idea than you'd see in the likes of COD or Fortnite. Also, the attitudes betwen casual players and the competitive crowd are clearly different; I would not expect much competitive spirit on random QP matches.

Well. I did not write about "competitive spirit", but sportsmanship . And I think the characteristica I attributed to that - respect for each other, teamspirit, humility - are characteristics which to foster benefits human beings in general .

Life is a Teamsport, after all .

Edited by Besh, 11 December 2023 - 04:58 AM.

[Besh]

TheNoob, on 10 December 2023 - 08:12 AM, said:

This game is one of the least toxic games I have ever played with the least amount of trash talk. No idea why you are talking about this like it is something that needs to be addressed to be entirely blunt.


Look me up on jarls i barely play but every time i do.. i have no real issue with anything.

We make this community . So why not bring forward thoughts and examples about what I think maybe benficial ?

I agree with much of what has been mentioned here so far. I also think it does not hurt to bring up the thoughts and Ideas I did . If nothing else, take it as "hm, someone wants to foster a spirit of what they deem good sportsmanship in the MW:O community" .

The post did not come from a "I need to adress this, now!" point .

[Besh]

Heavy Money, on 10 December 2023 - 08:13 PM, said:

There's excellent sportsmanship in Comp despite there being some players with very strong personalities. You'll also even see things in QP or EQ like calling a hold when a lot of ppl DC. I saw this several times in the mediums 3v3/4v4 EQ a couple months ago.

Generally, MWOs communities I've seen on Discord are all very civil compared to most games. Some people stand out as abrasive, but they aren't hard to ignore. Most of the negativity i see in the community is on these forums.

Negativity in itself is nothing bad . Why should people not be free to express their dislike, objection ? Is only indiscriminate cheerfull positivity and acceptance permissible ?

After having been absent for ~ 3years, Forums have become a much better place than what they were a few years ago .

They are one of the areas where strong community spirit can make a huge impact .

I need to look at and start with myself ofc . But fostering a strong community is nothing that can be done alone - and I like doing stuff together .

Edited by Besh, 11 December 2023 - 02:50 AM.

[Horseman]

Besh, on 11 December 2023 - 02:28 AM, said:

Well. I did not write about "competitive spirit", but sportsmanship .

Sportsmanship is part of it, as is a generally healthier outlook on the gameplay.
In my eight years with MWO's community, the players who exhibit toxic behaviours and attitudes tend to have a warped sense of their own importance, an expectation that the game and its player base will adapt to their wants, and see winning as their right rather than something to work for.
Generally this doesn't lends itself to success in comp.

[torsie]

Being nice is always good, I dont understand why people sometimes get angry over tiny things.

But I have to say, compared to the few other games that I have played so far, people here are super cool .

I play only in the quick play and I dont have voice chat but outside of few heated moments, people are mostly very nice.

Edited by torsie, 11 December 2023 - 06:31 AM.

[RickySpanish]

Meep Meep, on 10 December 2023 - 05:24 PM, said:

In general yes. When running up an alt the low tiers tend to be happy go lucky and chill with casual voip and everyone having a good time with sportsmanship at a very high level. The closer you get to tier one though the more salt and lack of voip you notice. So the lack of sportsmanship is mostly concentrated at the top with all the tryhards and hyper competitive sweating it out. Thats fine as the elo system mwo uses is quite effective at pairing up the like minded players with each other.

T1 is quieter but not any less polite in my experience.

[Meep Meep]

RickySpanish, on 11 December 2023 - 05:14 PM, said:

T1 is quieter but not any less polite in my experience.

Yeah its not a huge issue at all in any tier. Just what there is of it tends to be concentrated at the top.