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[KursedVixen]

I thought it'd be nice to show new players configurations for weapon groups, I'd also like to see how other players do it.

For me this is how I have my weapon groups setup on a mouse I use a 5 button mouse

Button 1: main weapons, lasers usually but highly dependant on the mech
Button 2: large caliber weapons large lasers Erppcs autocanons
Button 3: Missiles usually Lrms sometimes srms
Button 4: Srms, fast firing weapons like Mg's small pulse
Button 5: unused mostly still trying to get it into muscle memory

For an example here's my timberwolf prime weapon groups
1: medium lasers
2: large lasers
3:Lrms
4:Mg and extra laser on the torso mount.

and a second example here's my Warhawk Prime
1. left side ERPPCs
2. Right side ERPPCs
4. SRM left arm button

And for a final example my Pirhana-1
1.lasers
2.Mgs
4. CT flamer.

Edited by KursedVixen, 03 January 2024 - 09:18 AM.

[torsie]

Left mouse button for lasers on left hand
right mouse buttons for lasers on right hand.
Button 3 for shooting both my shoulder guns at once and then
4 is left shoulder and
5 is right shoulder if I need to use only one of them at a time.

On my tiny little Flea I have:
1 button for my machine guns and laser
2 for missiles (because you cant always use the missiles)
3 only for laser (if I want to shoot without spending ammo)
4 only for machine guns (they have the longest range of all my guns and are harder to see than bright red laser, so I use them for long range poke-poke or use them without laser if I dont want people to notice me that fast )

[ScrapIron Prime]

I keep mine simple, using three buttons on the mouse. Mouse buttons for two weapon groups that need precise aiming, thumb button for one group that needs less precise aiming, like missiles. I'm willing to stab a keyboard button any time I need to shoot a UAV with just arm weapons. Keeping the setup simple like this allows my mechdad reflexes to do well and allows me to switch between mechs often without re-memorizing firing patterns.

[Besh]

I use a 2 Button mouse . Will upgrade to 3 or 4 ( thumbs or 2ndary fingertips buttons ) Buttons once I find a suitable one, I realized 2 buttons is too restrictive . Depending on loadout, weapon groups are set to

• left - right
  
• Alpha - Chainfire
  
• WeaponA - Weapon B

Would appreciate any mousrecommendation acc. to my specs mentioned above .

Edited by Besh, 04 January 2024 - 11:53 AM.

[KursedVixen]

Besh, on 03 January 2024 - 12:30 PM, said:

I use a 2 Button mouse . Will upgrade to 3 or 4 ( thumbs or 2ndary fingertips buttons ) Buttons once I find a suitable one, I realized 2 buttons is too restrictive . Depending on loadout, weapon groups are set to

• left - right
  
• Alpha - Chainfire
  
• WeaponA - Weapon B

Would appreciate any mousrecommendation acc. to my specs metioned above .

I currently use the red dragon predator has 6 buttons and programmable buttons as well as lights.. i have the extra finger button programmed to 5.

the scroll wheel click down is my 3rd button

https://www.amazon.c...&language=en_US

Edited by KursedVixen, 03 January 2024 - 02:58 PM.

[Void Angel]

I use a Logitech G502 hero. It has three easily-accessible mouse buttons, and can click the mousewheel left and right. I have zoom set to mousewheel, and my strikes to the left and right clicks. Generally, I'll have my heavy/torso guns fire on mouse 2, my arm/light guns fire on mouse 1 - or just set my left and right sides to those buttons if that makes more sense. Mouse 3 is usually my arms, if any (for UAVs,) or a third weapon group on occasion. If I need a fourth weapon group, there's a second thumb button, but I avoid it because my hand doesn't fit it well, making it hard to use.

[TheCaptainJZ]

I use only 2 mouse buttons for firing and left shift for group 3. I never set up more than 3 weapon groups on any mech.
Mouse 1 - Fire primary group (varies by mech, often arm mounted)
Mouse 2 - Fire secondary group (often torso mounted)
Left Shift - Fire tertiary group or a chainfire group. LRMs usually go here. Backup SRMs are also good choices. Bad choices are MGs or fast firing weapons because you need your left hand on the movement keys.
On some mechs, Groups 1 and 2 are the same weapons, but on opposite sides of the mech so I can click both buttons at once or just one. PPCs, lasers, etc.

I use mouse wheel up/down or arty/airstrike and one of the thumb buttons for UAV. Mouse 3 (wheel click) is Coolshot. I have another thumb mouse button for toggling max zoom.

I struggle with mechs that have ECM Stealth or Masc because I tend to remap something to make those work better in my scheme, but I don't typically play them. I think Stealth is currently mapped to Caps Lock. ECM might be the default key still. Masc I don't know. I avoid Masc because I'd need it to replace a mouse button so I can move with my left hand. It seems to feel better not to have as a toggle so you have to hold the button down. I'm just not experienced with it.

Edited by TheCaptainJZ, 04 January 2024 - 10:10 AM.

[Duke Falcon]

Logitech G305...
Left button "group 1", rarely alpha
Right button "group 2"
Button 3 on side "group 3"
Not use more buttons. Groups are chassis-dependant. For Executioner or Warhawk left button for left PPCs, right button for right PPCs. Sometimes I use weapons in the same group what has the ~same range (MRMs with Medium lasers). In case if use RACs those always go for "group 2" as they are kind-of transition weapons between precise aim (ACs, PPCs) and less precise or tracing weapons (lasers).
Works pretty well in QP. FP needs other builds with more special group\button settings I rather not share. Not because secret but looks dumb albeit works for me...

EDIT:
I may use button 4 for consumables... Seems logic now that I wrote it down...
I should have done that already, ja?

Edited by Duke Falcon, 04 January 2024 - 10:50 AM.

[Besh]

TheCaptainJZ, on 04 January 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

I use only 2 mouse buttons for firing and left shift for group 3. I never set up more than 3 weapon groups on any mech.
Mouse 1 - Fire primary group (varies by mech, often arm mounted)
Mouse 2 - Fire secondary group (often torso mounted)
Left Shift - Fire tertiary group or a chainfire group. LRMs usually go here. Backup SRMs are also good choices. Bad choices are MGs or fast firing weapons because you need your left hand on the movement keys.
On some mechs, Groups 1 and 2 are the same weapons, but on opposite sides of the mech so I can click both buttons at once or just one. PPCs, lasers, etc.

I use mouse wheel up/down or arty/airstrike and one of the thumb buttons for UAV. Mouse 3 (wheel click) is Coolshot. I have another thumb mouse button for toggling max zoom.

I struggle with mechs that have ECM Stealth or Masc because I tend to remap something to make those work better in my scheme, but I don't typically play them. I think Stealth is currently mapped to Caps Lock. ECM might be the default key still. Masc I don't know. I avoid Masc because I'd need it to replace a mouse button so I can move with my left hand. It seems to feel better not to have as a toggle so you have to hold the button down. I'm just not experienced with it.

What make of mouse do you use ?

[Void Angel]

TheCaptainJZ, on 04 January 2024 - 10:09 AM, said:

I avoid Masc because I'd need it to replace a mouse button so I can move with my left hand. It seems to feel better not to have as a toggle so you have to hold the button down. I'm just not experienced with it.

You can't reach your movement keys with your thumb on Left Alt?

Once I got used to it, I find myself hitting my MASC key on other 'mechs after I've played a MASC 'mech for a while.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Void Angel, on 04 January 2024 - 12:32 PM, said:

You can't reach your movement keys with your thumb on Left Alt?

Once I got used to it, I find myself hitting my MASC key on other 'mechs after I've played a MASC 'mech for a while.

Alt is a good key--I'll have to take another look at it when I play next. I don't know what it's currently mapped to. Mentally, I'm just thinking I needed a button on the other hand, but maybe I just need to rewire myself and practice.

[KursedVixen]

TheCaptainJZ, on 04 January 2024 - 12:41 PM, said:

Alt is a good key--I'll have to take another look at it when I play next. I don't know what it's currently mapped to. Mentally, I'm just thinking I needed a button on the other hand, but maybe I just need to rewire myself and practice.

all of my actions are on the left side of the keyboard for the most part only a few buttons that i rarely use are on the right side and the space bar is wide enough that it doesn't matter...

I wasn't going into controls on this topic but

WASD- movement.
Left alt- masc
spacebar- jump jets.
1,2,3,4- consumables (I can easily and quickly reach the number keys at the top of the keyboard.
F:Center legs to torso
C: override...

Edited by KursedVixen, 04 January 2024 - 02:32 PM.

[ambosen]

Truth is, I don't have a standardized firing group set of for every mech. Mostly because it makes very little sense to do so, given how much variation there can be between individual mechs, or individual sub models of mechs.

Some mechs can carry so little tonnage in weapons you usually end up not needing anything but a single fire button, because literally, you're probably going to have a single, or two weapons systems which'll most likely be in the same heat and range brackets anyways. A lot of light mechs are like that, though you'll find a few in every mech weight class.

Others have the opposite problem and can carry a wide variety of weapons systems with tonnage to spare, and in that case, you're probably gonna end up setting up your fire groups according to the role or range bracket of that weapon and heat balance anyways. Most mechs regardless of if they are lights, mediums, heavies or assaults fit somewhere between the two extremes.

So I guess you could say I set my fire groups according to the role and capabilities my mech will have. Group 1 usually ends up being whatever system I figure will see the most use on the mech. Group two usually ends up being the more specialized weapons systems, like missiles on a primarily laser or autocannon boating mech for example.

Depending upon the range bracket it's most optimal for, I might set a TAG laser on it's own group or alongside other weapons, or both. As to chainfire or group fire, again, I go with what makes the most sense depending on the mech. There's mechs in this game that you can put a ton of heat management assistance like cooling buffs, heat sinks, coolshots and you'll still get pretty toasty firing small lasers, for example.

A lot of times with rapid firing weapons I'll set up seperate chainfire and fire all at once groups. If the mech has a relatively wide body or small turning base, where I might be able fire weapons on one arm or arm and side torso while in partial cover, I'll usually set groups letting me do that as well.

but if you try to go for a one size meets all approach in your fire group choices, you're going to run into quite a few problems with it, not the least of which is you'll probably end up spending a lot of time being shot at while overheating.

[Horseman]

KursedVixen, on 03 January 2024 - 09:16 AM, said:

For me this is how I have my weapon groups setup on a mouse I use a 5 button mouse
Button 1: main weapons, lasers usually but highly dependant on the mech
Button 2: large caliber weapons large lasers Erppcs autocanons
Button 3: Missiles usually Lrms sometimes srms
Button 4: Srms, fast firing weapons like Mg's small pulse
Button 5: unused mostly still trying to get it into muscle memory

I usually use 1 as an alpha strike, 4 for secondaries (sometimes can be torso weapons or arm weapons), 2 for high mounts or arm weapons, 3 perhaps for chain fire. On my LRM mechs, 2 is TAG, 1 and 4 are both all missile weapons set to chainfire (to maximize the fire rate).

KursedVixen, on 04 January 2024 - 02:30 PM, said:

1,2,3,4- consumables (I can easily and quickly reach the number keys at the top of the keyboard.

I made the same change a few years ago, 1,2,3,4,5 for me since there are some mechs with consumable amount quirks letting you hit five consumable slots easily.

[Ken Harkin]

First of all I play with a Nostromo N52 Speedpad for my left hand. I cannot live without this device and have one backup as well as a junker I can harvest parts from. All my left hand functions are easily controlled without moving my hand.

https://youtu.be/7fB...z5h2pI3pIXME7w_

GENERALLY:

Mouse 1 / Group 1(left): All arm weapons or Left Arm Weapons.

Mouse 2 / Group 2(right): Right Arm Weapons, Torso Main Weapon, TAG

SpeedPad Thumb UP (Mouse 3) / Group 3: Missiles, Main Torso Weapon, HAG/Gauss

SpeedPad Tumb DOWN (Mouse 4) / Group 4: Other.

I generally only have THREE groups of weapons. Group 4 will often be something less often used, like on my Marauder BH2 where there are 2SPPC (Group 2 (right)), 4ML (Group 1 (left and head)), AC20 (Group 3), 4ML in chain fire (Group 4).

I prefer to have HAG and Gauss on the group 3 thumb button as the act of holding and releasing with the charge mechanic on the left hand speedpad planted firmly on the desk is far more stable than on the mouse where the change in pressure can send a tremor which will throw things off ever so slightly at 1,000 meters.

Edited by Ken Harkin, 11 January 2024 - 08:45 AM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Left mouse button - weapons equipped on left side/torso (exception - when primary/long range are on Right Torso, ie Thunderbolts)
Right mouse button - weapons equipped on right side/torso
Primary Side button (3rd mouse button ) other, shorter range or arm mounted weapons.

[Besh]

KursedVixen, on 03 January 2024 - 02:56 PM, said:

I currently use the red dragon predator has 6 buttons and programmable buttons as well as lights.. i have the extra finger button programmed to 5.

the scroll wheel click down is my 3rd button

https://www.amazon.c...&language=en_US

I bought the Redragn m612 Predator . I hadnt even heard of Redragon before your recommendation, did some research, and decided to order it directly from Redragonshop .

At a 16$ prictag (was a bit more expensive for me due to shipping to Germany and VAT ), its an incredible piece of kit . Buildquality, clickyness of buttons, weight, precision ofc...simply everything is incredibly good for the price they ask . In addition, shipping was stellarly fast, and when I had to contact CS because the carrier messed up delivery, they were quick in replying, very friendly etc. (in short, could not have been better) .

Thanks man .

Edited by Besh, 28 January 2024 - 11:58 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Red Dragon is awesome stuff. Their mice and keyboards are top quality too. I've switched to their lighted keyboards so I don't wear the letters off the keys on the keyboard, and the mechanical keyboards are both light touch and heavy duty.

[Besh]

ScrapIron Prime, on 24 January 2024 - 08:27 PM, said:

Red Dragon is awesome stuff. Their mice and keyboards are top quality too. I've switched to their lighted keyboards so I don't wear the letters off the keys on the keyboard, and the mechanical keyboards are both light touch and heavy duty.

Can only recommend them by my experience so far . While looking up the Predator mouse, a nice sale was still on, so I bought my first ever mechanical keyboard - Kumara k552 - along with the mouse at a 20% discount . Solid build, nice weight to it, red Outemu switches suit me perfectly, again, price asked a bit amazing in comparison to other products .

[R O B O C O P]

and noone write about macros , offcourse all those "veterans" and "champs" don't use it
PS try to be fair at least with yourself.