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[Mark Yore]

I haven't been able to find an answer to this so I'd appreciate any advice.

What type of laser is a Beam Laser - for the application of quirks?

The Binary Laser gains any Standard Laser quirks, the X-Pulse lasers are ... duh... Pulse Lasers and gain their benefits. But Beam Lasers don't seem to gain HSL, range or heat benefits from quirks.

Ideas?

[KursedVixen]

Energy quirks that are general energy work but that's it for all i know I think maybe pulse or large laser quirks should apply as well but I don't think they do.

[Samziel]

• Quirk Families: Laser, STD Laser

From march patch notes.

I think with clantech STD laser meant heavy and pulse lasers (and now beams) but not ER. There's at least 2 mechs that can use 3 beams: ON1-IIC and HGN-IIC. It should also benefit from all general, energy and laser range/heat etc quirks.

But any cooldown or duration skills/quirks will do nothing.

Edited by Samziel, 12 May 2024 - 08:24 PM.

[KursedVixen]

Samziel, on 12 May 2024 - 08:15 PM, said:

• Quirk Families: Laser, STD Laser

From march patch notes.



I think with clantech STD laser meant heavy and pulse lasers (and now beams) but not ER. There's at least 2 mechs that can use 3 beams: ON1-IIC and HGN-IIC. It should also benefit from all general, energy and laser range/heat etc quirks.

But any cooldown or duration skills/quirks will do nothing.

thing is clans do not have standard lasers so i'm pretty sure anything labled STD laser also applies to Er

I don't remember what mechs have that quirk could you tell me one that does so i can look into it?

Edited by KursedVixen, 12 May 2024 - 08:27 PM.

[Samziel]

KursedVixen, on 12 May 2024 - 08:27 PM, said:

thing is clans do not have standard lasers so i'm pretty sure anything labled STD laser also applies to Er

I don't remember what mechs have that quirk could you tell me one that does so i can look into it?

I dont know why they wouldnt just leave it at laser family then. There arent any clan mechs with the quirk either. I remember there was discussion about this earlier but dont remember where or what the reason was. Might be some technical reasons.

Edited by Samziel, 12 May 2024 - 08:59 PM.

[Mark Yore]

The Orion IIC (Energy) and the Highlander IIC (Laser) both have HSL quirks. The Rifleman IIC has LPL HSL+2.

The problem with the Beam Laser is that it doesn't do a lot of damage, but it requires you to spend a lot of time facing the enemy. The heat also ramps up substantially.

Ideally I'd like to find a Mech that leans into the quirks the way the Nightstar 10P is overpowered for RACs.

[Samziel]

Mark Yore, on 12 May 2024 - 09:09 PM, said:

The Orion IIC (Energy) and the Highlander IIC (Laser) both have HSL quirks. The Rifleman IIC has LPL HSL+2.

The problem with the Beam Laser is that it doesn't do a lot of damage, but it requires you to spend a lot of time facing the enemy. The heat also ramps up substantially.

Ideally I'd like to find a Mech that leans into the quirks the way the Nightstar 10P is overpowered for RACs.

The LPL HSL wont work for beams. I had some success in the Highlander IIC with 3 beams and a gauss rifle.

Nightstar 10P aint OP with RACs. If you want something similar with beams you want HSL, range or heat quirks. You also need other weapons in most of the builds. DWF-A has big heat quirks and energy HSL in SO8, but it's a bit underwhelming with SO8 omnipods. Gargoyle A too, but same issues.

Edited by Samziel, 12 May 2024 - 11:28 PM.

[Cyborne Elemental]

https://mwo.nav-alph...=50b27e5e_DWF-A

I dunno.. this doesn't look completely terrible, all depends on how it plays.
Never have been a DireWhale fan though. at least not in MWO.

[KursedVixen]

Samziel, on 12 May 2024 - 08:46 PM, said:

I dont know why they wouldnt just leave it at laser family then. There arent any clan mechs with the quirk either. I remember there was discussion about this earlier but dont remember where or what the reason was. Might be some technical reasons.

it may have changed but i remember seeing a clan mech with STdlaser quirks

[Cyborne Elemental]

KursedVixen, on 15 May 2024 - 02:28 PM, said:

it may have changed but i remember seeing a clan mech with STdlaser quirks

I think it was one of the Marauder IIC variants, it could use 3 Heavy Large lasers with no HSL penalty.

But I think they've amended the quirk name on it.

https://mwo.nav-alph...49745a_MAD-IIC2

Edited by Cyborne Elemental, 15 May 2024 - 02:45 PM.

[KursedVixen]

Cyborne Elemental, on 15 May 2024 - 02:37 PM, said:

I think it was one of the Marauder IIC variants, it could use 3 Heavy Large lasers with no HSL penalty.

But I think they've amended the quirk name on it.

https://mwo.nav-alph...49745a_MAD-IIC2

possibly i remember thinking odd, because clans don't have standard lasers only pulse er and heavy