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[MrMadguy]

Why care, if it doesn't work anyway? We have 3rd iteration of MM, but problems are always exactly the same. I.e. it seems like MM cares more about keeping my W/L = 1 and AvgMS = 200..250 no matter what, than about providing good close matches. So, it just keeps and keeps providing interleaved stomps instead of good matches. Only difference - Tier system, that at least helps a little bit. Once I advance to Tier 3 - not only enemy team becomes much stronger. My team becomes completely useless and starts to die one after another. I don't know, how MM manages to balance teams so badly. Shouldn't it be, that if I advance to Tier 3, then BOTH teams become better? Plus once I advance to Tier 3, all sorts of abuse start to happen, such as whole enemy team abusing radar derp cheat, that essentially nullifies all lock on weapons. I have a question. If stats show, that everybody and their grannies abuse radar derp, then isn't it valid reason to treat it as overpowered cheat and finally nerf it? Several skill points investment shouldn't be so powerful, that it eliminates whole weapon class. Why can't we have other anti-weapon official cheats then, such as reflective armor, that reflects all energy damage? M? Radar derp cheat - is one of reasons, why peek-poking Meta abuse is so intense now. There is little to no counters for such Meta. If radar derp cheat wouldn't exist - Tag would be effective enough to LRM-rain poptarts at least a little bit. But no. Only weapons left it this game - are ER-PPCs and Gausses. May be some small % of ER lasers. Other weapons are eliminated simply because they're completely ineffective against peek-pokers. This game is point'n'click now. Plus Lights become super invasive. Sometimes I really start thinking, that for balance purposes Light 'Mechs just shouldn't be allowed to equip heavy long range weapons.

But again. Imbalances, Metas and other cheats wouldn't matter so much, if we would have self-regulating MM system, that would protect us from this abuse. There wouldn't be any problem, if players, who abuse something, would boil in their own can of worms, i.e. play against such abusers only. This is real reason, why I hate PVP games. Imbalance has critical impact on quality of game here. In PVE games other players abuse something or cheat some way? I don't care, because it doesn't impact me directly, if I don't play cutting edge content. And I don't. And if there is some sort of imbalance in PVP - it affects game at ALL levels, so there is no way to escape it. And if devs don't provide some way of protection from imbalance, that is induced by them - then it really feels like legal humiliation. Some players are legally allowed to dominate others by devs themselves. Who would play such game?

Edited by MrMadguy, 23 August 2024 - 11:32 PM.

[RockmachinE]

MrMadguy, on 23 August 2024 - 11:13 PM, said:

Why care, if it doesn't work anyway? We have 3rd iteration of MM, but problems are always exactly the same. I.e. it seems like MM cares more about keeping my W/L = 1 and AvgMS = 200..250

Yes the Matchmaker is conspiring against you to keep you in T4!

If you're good you get PSR + regardless of win or loss, stomp or close match.

I wanted to drop to T2 for shorter match making times and I literally can't no matter what I do... even if I did I'd slide back up to 1 immediately. And I'm not even good at MWO.

Edited by RockmachinE, 24 August 2024 - 06:32 AM.

[Horseman]

Ertur, on 22 August 2024 - 03:59 AM, said:

It's not a player skill rating but a player's ability to farm damage rating.

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

[pattonesque]

Horseman, on 24 August 2024 - 12:14 PM, said:

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

but what about all my brilliant 10-minute-long flanks and ability to scout (dive into the enemy and die immediately) and all my strategic fleeing?

[MrMadguy]

RockmachinE, on 24 August 2024 - 06:29 AM, said:

Yes the Matchmaker is conspiring against you to keep you in T4!

If you're good you get PSR + regardless of win or loss, stomp or close match.

I wanted to drop to T2 for shorter match making times and I literally can't no matter what I do... even if I did I'd slide back up to 1 immediately. And I'm not even good at MWO.

It's not conspiracy. MWO isn't only game, where players notice, that MM is only illusion. Elo, PSR exp bar, PSR 2.0. Completely different MM models, but exactly the same problems. Only players, who can escape from this hell - Tier 1 players, who just don't have any players above them to push them down. They're only players in this game, who are allowed to get their fun via seal clubbing lower tiers.

[HenryFA]

MrMadguy, on 25 August 2024 - 02:54 AM, said:

It's not conspiracy. MWO isn't only game, where players notice, that MM is only illusion. Elo, PSR exp bar, PSR 2.0. Completely different MM models, but exactly the same problems. Only players, who can escape from this hell - Tier 1 players, who just don't have any players above them to push them down. They're only players in this game, who are allowed to get their fun via seal clubbing lower tiers.

Good lord, I thought you were just being sarcastic, saying that the reason you were hard stuck T4 is all because of MM, then you start blaming T1 players for performing better.

[Tarl Cabot]

Horseman, on 24 August 2024 - 12:14 PM, said:

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

The sad part is that Mr.M primarily pilots Assaults but is not able to put out the damage. Matchscore isnt made up of all damage but it is a good chunk of it. I tend to pilot Meds (53%)/Heavies(41%) My avg Matchscore are approximately 10pts higher than his with the adjusted MS being nearly 20pts and dropping primarily using IS mechs..

His hell is piloting assaults not very well. He should simply ignore the Tiers and think of them in Battletechnology unit terms, Elite, Veteran, Regular, Militia and Green. Based on PGI setup, both the time and how that time is spent, you are essentially Militia level. Mr.M has his moments but once he pushes into the Regular level, he is out of his league and is demoted/reassigned back to the Militia. He should be aware by now that each tier is made up of 1000 PSR points, and said points are generated based on how he is ranked against the other 23 people who dropped in on the map. The only constant is himself, how he utilizes the mechlab and how he performs.

On both toons, I have currently in Tier 2 but have dropped to Tier 3 and also hit Tier 1 for a brief time moments of time, but have stayed primarily in Tier 2, one at approx 25% and the more active at around 75%, and I tend to play variants of the same mechs just enough to get a win then switch to the next variant, while also dropping in a few mechs I have not skilled out yet. Such mechs I initially put 20-30 GSP into them then level them up.

And I aint young anymore either I was already out of high school when I got involved with Battletech.

HenryFA, on 25 August 2024 - 04:22 AM, said:

Good lord, I thought you were just being sarcastic, saying that the reason you were hard stuck T4 is all because of MM, then you start blaming T1 players for performing better.

Of course, didn't you know that those Tier 1 players are mentoring a few lower tier players in his timezone, and rewarding them for legging and killing his lonely assaults.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 25 August 2024 - 08:33 AM.

[PelinalWhitestrake]

At first i always thought it was the matchmaking, but in the end it always was pilot skill.
Just pick a good mech, the cheesiest build you can think of from grimmechs, kill 2 or 3 mechs while assisting, and even if you lose, your pilot skill will increase

Also tier 5 is comfier than T4, and Tier 1 is Sweatlord PVP off a world of warcraft forum and not even the best mechwarrior cool suit will chill that heaty sweat.

Also, hate missile boats and piranhas from the bottom of your soul

[UnnecessaryActionHero]

I wouldn't bet a penny on the tier system cos it is just garbage!

It's called PILOT TIER RATING not WTH THE OTHER TEAM DID rating..


Just trash

[Tarl Cabot]

UnnecessaryActionHero, on 20 October 2025 - 04:55 PM, said:

I wouldn't bet a penny on the tier system cos it is just garbage!

It's called PILOT TIER RATING not WTH THE OTHER TEAM DID rating..


Just trash

Nice necro of a 1-year old+ thread. But did you miss the part that you are rated again all the other players in the match, with the winning team having a slight percentage modifier? Even on a win, And PSR-Tier system is used for the MM. As posted previously, I see the Tiers like the following Battletechology terms, and likely a majority of the players are Tier 3, with many floating between Tier 3 and Tier 4 or Tier 3 and Tier 2.

Tier 1 Elite
Tier 2 Veterans
Tier 3 Regulars
Tier 4 Militia
Tier 5 Green

edit, what Tier do you honestly believe you should be in?

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 20 October 2025 - 05:23 PM.

[Ilfi]

You gain MMR even on a Loss if you play well. If you are crashing out every match, it's because you're playing worse than more than half the lobby. It's a very simple system, one that rewards damage and kills more than anything else. Attack the enemy and you'll do fine.

[mayakashiii]

Ilfi, on 20 October 2025 - 05:25 PM, said:

You gain MMR even on a Loss if you play well. If you are crashing out every match, it's because you're playing worse than more than half the lobby. It's a very simple system, one that rewards damage and kills more than anything else. Attack the enemy and you'll do fine.

It's still possible being griefed so hard by your team that you don't even get to perform. Especially when you are in something slow. And then there is the soup queue nowadays. So while generally you have a point, it is really not that simple. Especially with all the stomping and stacking 99% percentile players on just one team. PSR doesn't mean **** anymore.

Edited by T Hawk, 24 October 2025 - 01:18 PM.

[Gezkill]

I'm gonna be honest PSR should just be removed. I don't see a reason especially nowadays when there practically merging ques because of the lack of players.

I've been stuck at PSR4 and I have over 800 hours. Its a ****** system.

[crazytimes]

Gezkill, on 24 October 2025 - 05:24 PM, said:

I'm gonna be honest PSR should just be removed. I don't see a reason especially nowadays when there practically merging ques because of the lack of players.

I've been stuck at PSR4 and I have over 800 hours. Its a ****** system.

You have found your appropriate skill level and are protected from seeing tier 1. You would not enjoy the experience of removing that protection.

Play some more EQ or faction play if you're not sure.

[martian]

UnnecessaryActionHero, on 20 October 2025 - 04:55 PM, said:

I wouldn't bet a penny on the tier system cos it is just garbage!

It's called PILOT TIER RATING not WTH THE OTHER TEAM DID rating..


Just trash

You are wrong.

It is not called "PILOT TIER RATING". It is called PILOT SKILL RATING.



Check the screenshot.

And by the way, its purpose is to protect the low-skilled players against high-skilled players, which is something what this system does more-or-less successfully.

Gezkill, on 24 October 2025 - 05:24 PM, said:

I've been stuck at PSR4 and I have over 800 hours.

What if I told you that some other MWO players needed much less than 800 hours to move to Tier 1?

If you are in Tier 4 after 800 hours, then I would say that this is probably the right place for you to be.

Gezkill, on 24 October 2025 - 05:24 PM, said:

I'm gonna be honest PSR should just be removed. I don't see a reason especially nowadays when there practically merging ques because of the lack of players.
...
Its a ****** system.

The Tier system actually protects the Tier 4 players like you, so you do not face the Tier 1 players too often.

Be glad that this system is in place.

[Gezkill]

martian, on 24 October 2025 - 09:38 PM, said:

You are wrong.

It is not called "PILOT TIER RATING". It is called PILOT SKILL RATING.



Check the screenshot.

And by the way, its purpose is to protect the low-skilled players against high-skilled players, which is something what this system does more-or-less successfully.

What if I told you that some other MWO players needed much less than 800 hours to move to Tier 1?

If you are in Tier 4 after 800 hours, then I would say that this is probably the right place for you to be.

The Tier system actually protects the Tier 4 players like you, so you do not face the Tier 1 players too often.

Be glad that this system is in place.

Supposed to but it really doesn't as its not that hard to tank your ranking. I stopped caring for it as it only goes up depending on a multiple of factor that matters dippity to your actual skill ranking. More damage=More points doing anything else is ruins your score.

[martian]

Gezkill, on 26 October 2025 - 07:04 PM, said:

Supposed to but it really doesn't as its not that hard to tank your ranking.

It is also not so difficult to increase your rating.

The willingness to learn from your mistakes is the main condition.

Gezkill, on 26 October 2025 - 07:04 PM, said:

I stopped caring for it as it only goes up depending on a multiple of factor that matters dippity to your actual skill ranking.

Well, not exactly. PSR changes reflect all those actions that you did (or failed to do) in any given game. Players who do not make the difference in comparison with other players in some particular game can not expect a significant PSR boost.

Gezkill, on 26 October 2025 - 07:04 PM, said:

More damage=More points doing anything else is ruins your score.

This is not so simple. Yes, damage is an important factor.

However, there are other things that you can do and that boost your PSR.

Check this pair of screenshots, please. Just one of my yesterday's games.



As you can see, I got one kill and I did only a low amount of damage to enemy 'Mechs - mere 167 points.

As you said, my score should have been ruined.



But as you can see, I also launched UAVs to show my team where the enemy 'Mechs are. My team mates used it to hit enemy 'Mechs with missiles too. I also searched for flanking enemy 'Mechs. I also flanked the enemy team. I capped enemy base. I helped friendly 'Mechs when they needed it. etc.

I did everything possible exactly to avoid my score being ruined - and it worked.

And, in the end, I saw the green arrow.