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[MrMadguy]

Why care, if it doesn't work anyway? We have 3rd iteration of MM, but problems are always exactly the same. I.e. it seems like MM cares more about keeping my W/L = 1 and AvgMS = 200..250 no matter what, than about providing good close matches. So, it just keeps and keeps providing interleaved stomps instead of good matches. Only difference - Tier system, that at least helps a little bit. Once I advance to Tier 3 - not only enemy team becomes much stronger. My team becomes completely useless and starts to die one after another. I don't know, how MM manages to balance teams so badly. Shouldn't it be, that if I advance to Tier 3, then BOTH teams become better? Plus once I advance to Tier 3, all sorts of abuse start to happen, such as whole enemy team abusing radar derp cheat, that essentially nullifies all lock on weapons. I have a question. If stats show, that everybody and their grannies abuse radar derp, then isn't it valid reason to treat it as overpowered cheat and finally nerf it? Several skill points investment shouldn't be so powerful, that it eliminates whole weapon class. Why can't we have other anti-weapon official cheats then, such as reflective armor, that reflects all energy damage? M? Radar derp cheat - is one of reasons, why peek-poking Meta abuse is so intense now. There is little to no counters for such Meta. If radar derp cheat wouldn't exist - Tag would be effective enough to LRM-rain poptarts at least a little bit. But no. Only weapons left it this game - are ER-PPCs and Gausses. May be some small % of ER lasers. Other weapons are eliminated simply because they're completely ineffective against peek-pokers. This game is point'n'click now. Plus Lights become super invasive. Sometimes I really start thinking, that for balance purposes Light 'Mechs just shouldn't be allowed to equip heavy long range weapons.

But again. Imbalances, Metas and other cheats wouldn't matter so much, if we would have self-regulating MM system, that would protect us from this abuse. There wouldn't be any problem, if players, who abuse something, would boil in their own can of worms, i.e. play against such abusers only. This is real reason, why I hate PVP games. Imbalance has critical impact on quality of game here. In PVE games other players abuse something or cheat some way? I don't care, because it doesn't impact me directly, if I don't play cutting edge content. And I don't. And if there is some sort of imbalance in PVP - it affects game at ALL levels, so there is no way to escape it. And if devs don't provide some way of protection from imbalance, that is induced by them - then it really feels like legal humiliation. Some players are legally allowed to dominate others by devs themselves. Who would play such game?

Edited by MrMadguy, 23 August 2024 - 11:32 PM.

[RockmachinE]

MrMadguy, on 23 August 2024 - 11:13 PM, said:

Why care, if it doesn't work anyway? We have 3rd iteration of MM, but problems are always exactly the same. I.e. it seems like MM cares more about keeping my W/L = 1 and AvgMS = 200..250

Yes the Matchmaker is conspiring against you to keep you in T4!

If you're good you get PSR + regardless of win or loss, stomp or close match.

I wanted to drop to T2 for shorter match making times and I literally can't no matter what I do... even if I did I'd slide back up to 1 immediately. And I'm not even good at MWO.

Edited by RockmachinE, 24 August 2024 - 06:32 AM.

[Horseman]

Ertur, on 22 August 2024 - 03:59 AM, said:

It's not a player skill rating but a player's ability to farm damage rating.

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

[pattonesque]

Horseman, on 24 August 2024 - 12:14 PM, said:

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

but what about all my brilliant 10-minute-long flanks and ability to scout (dive into the enemy and die immediately) and all my strategic fleeing?

[MrMadguy]

RockmachinE, on 24 August 2024 - 06:29 AM, said:

Yes the Matchmaker is conspiring against you to keep you in T4!

If you're good you get PSR + regardless of win or loss, stomp or close match.

I wanted to drop to T2 for shorter match making times and I literally can't no matter what I do... even if I did I'd slide back up to 1 immediately. And I'm not even good at MWO.

It's not conspiracy. MWO isn't only game, where players notice, that MM is only illusion. Elo, PSR exp bar, PSR 2.0. Completely different MM models, but exactly the same problems. Only players, who can escape from this hell - Tier 1 players, who just don't have any players above them to push them down. They're only players in this game, who are allowed to get their fun via seal clubbing lower tiers.

[HenryFA]

MrMadguy, on 25 August 2024 - 02:54 AM, said:

It's not conspiracy. MWO isn't only game, where players notice, that MM is only illusion. Elo, PSR exp bar, PSR 2.0. Completely different MM models, but exactly the same problems. Only players, who can escape from this hell - Tier 1 players, who just don't have any players above them to push them down. They're only players in this game, who are allowed to get their fun via seal clubbing lower tiers.

Good lord, I thought you were just being sarcastic, saying that the reason you were hard stuck T4 is all because of MM, then you start blaming T1 players for performing better.

[Tarl Cabot]

Horseman, on 24 August 2024 - 12:14 PM, said:

Damage is the most effective means of winning in this game, so...

The sad part is that Mr.M primarily pilots Assaults but is not able to put out the damage. Matchscore isnt made up of all damage but it is a good chunk of it. I tend to pilot Meds (53%)/Heavies(41%) My avg Matchscore are approximately 10pts higher than his with the adjusted MS being nearly 20pts and dropping primarily using IS mechs..

His hell is piloting assaults not very well. He should simply ignore the Tiers and think of them in Battletechnology unit terms, Elite, Veteran, Regular, Militia and Green. Based on PGI setup, both the time and how that time is spent, you are essentially Militia level. Mr.M has his moments but once he pushes into the Regular level, he is out of his league and is demoted/reassigned back to the Militia. He should be aware by now that each tier is made up of 1000 PSR points, and said points are generated based on how he is ranked against the other 23 people who dropped in on the map. The only constant is himself, how he utilizes the mechlab and how he performs.

On both toons, I have currently in Tier 2 but have dropped to Tier 3 and also hit Tier 1 for a brief time moments of time, but have stayed primarily in Tier 2, one at approx 25% and the more active at around 75%, and I tend to play variants of the same mechs just enough to get a win then switch to the next variant, while also dropping in a few mechs I have not skilled out yet. Such mechs I initially put 20-30 GSP into them then level them up.

And I aint young anymore either I was already out of high school when I got involved with Battletech.

HenryFA, on 25 August 2024 - 04:22 AM, said:

Good lord, I thought you were just being sarcastic, saying that the reason you were hard stuck T4 is all because of MM, then you start blaming T1 players for performing better.

Of course, didn't you know that those Tier 1 players are mentoring a few lower tier players in his timezone, and rewarding them for legging and killing his lonely assaults.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 25 August 2024 - 08:33 AM.

[PelinalWhitestrake]

At first i always thought it was the matchmaking, but in the end it always was pilot skill.
Just pick a good mech, the cheesiest build you can think of from grimmechs, kill 2 or 3 mechs while assisting, and even if you lose, your pilot skill will increase

Also tier 5 is comfier than T4, and Tier 1 is Sweatlord PVP off a world of warcraft forum and not even the best mechwarrior cool suit will chill that heaty sweat.

Also, hate missile boats and piranhas from the bottom of your soul