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[KursedVixen]

I would think taking guns off the field that could be shot at my team and potentiall kill them would reward me more points but no the guy who love tapped more players than me gets a higher match score WHY!?

Edited by KursedVixen, 16 March 2025 - 12:39 PM.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 16 March 2025 - 12:38 PM, said:

I would think taking guns off the field that could be shot at my team and potentiall kill them would reward me more points but no the guy who love tapped more players than me gets a higher match score WHY!?

Could you post both the Mission Summary Team Stats Table and the Mission Summary Player Stats Table, please?

Without seeing both of those tables, it is impossible to judge your performance relative to the other players. Any serious discussion about your performance in that game is not possible without those tables.

Thank you.

[KursedVixen]

[Tarl Cabot]

So a Spider 5D, possibly equipped 2*ERLL, out did a Kodiak 5 (how was it equipped and long range/sniper type or mid/close range?) in Matchscore, but not damage, thus less damage (which approx 46% dmg converted to MS). Overall, the spider likely had a greater impact. Yes, you got the "final" kill shot but what was the KMDD/Solo/Savior kills? Should show the Player Stats. It would be interesting to see how many MS triggers that Spider had.

• 570 MS vs 501 MS
  
• 700 dmg (322 MS) vs 822 dmg (378 MS)
  
• 2 kills vs 6 kills
  
• 9 Assist vs 2 Assists (only a point or two lower than kills)
  
• Dmg applied to 11 Reds vs 8 Reds
  
• KMDD, Solo Kills, Savior unknown number but also generate MS points
  
• Tons of other triggers that increase or lower MS points (team dmg/kills)
  
• https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__6543987

[KursedVixen]

Tarl Cabot, on 16 March 2025 - 01:51 PM, said:

So a Spider 5D, possibly equipped 2*ERLL, out did a Kodiak 5 (how was it equipped and long range/sniper type or mid/close range?) in Matchscore, but not damage, thus less damage (which approx 46% dmg converted to MS). Overall, the spider likely had a greater impact. Yes, you got the "final" kill shot but what was the KMDD/Solo/Savior kills? Should show the Player Stats. It would be interesting to see how many MS triggers that Spider had.

• 570 MS vs 501 MS
  
• 700 dmg (322 MS) vs 822 dmg (378 MS)
  
• 2 kills vs 6 kills
  
• 9 Assist vs 2 Assists (only a point or two lower than kills)
  
• Dmg applied to 11 Reds vs 8 Reds
  
• KMDD, Solo Kills, Savior unknown number but also generate MS points
  
• Tons of other triggers that increase or lower MS points (team dmg/kills)
  
• https://mwomercs.com...ost__p__6543987

8 Er mediums and 2 heavy large.

i'd understand if there's some sort of MS multiplier based on weight of mech used but still i feel like i should have gotten closer to him in terms of match score. I would think a killing blow would be worth more than a Kill assist while a kill assist is just hitting someone and killing blow is the last shot that caused the destruction of the mech, that is still taking guns off the field that could potentially destroy the rest of my team leaving the enemy team less of a threat, though TBH the last kill i got was a longbow with all Lrms who for some reason decided to stick in my face...

Edited by KursedVixen, 16 March 2025 - 02:00 PM.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 16 March 2025 - 01:41 PM, said:

I see nothing interesting here: You spammed some damage, but you managed to achieve just one solo kill on your own. Okay, you got some killing blows, but I guess that other players contributed to opening those enemy 'Mechs CTs.

You did only a small number of extra activities.

I see no problem here. Everything works as designed.

P.S. That Thunderbolt and that Spider did some good work and I think that they deserve their MS, especially if I consider that they are much lighter than the 100-ton ClanTech Kodiak of yours.

[Tarl Cabot]

And after spectating a Spider 5D, it may have been running 3xLPPC, which means was diss out 16.5dmg per pull. And damage counted is not simply direct damage but also component damage from crits, ammo damage. The likely reason a kill shot does not earn globs of points is simply that to trigger that means the the player destroyed the last health point needed to take it down. If the player did more on a particular mech, it would be generated in the other triggers such as the KMDD, Solo, Savior, etc.

What would you say about the Spider if it had 4 KMDD, one Solo/Savior kills? Too bad the Team Stats do not show a few more stats, including damage taken, even at death. And if ya think about it, the field practically ignored you, simply based on the amount of damage that Kodiak had taken, considering its size.

And the Kodiak 5 on the Reds, it had a 491 MS vs ya 501 MS, with 2Kill and 5Assists and 840 dmg (386 MS). If it had been a tie, the red Kodiak final match score likely would have be higher than yours. Simply trying to put things into perspective. Damage is king, since damage is the only way to reduce the Healthpoints to zero in one or more sections of the Internal structure. Rear shot to 5 RCT armor then that internal structure while the mech may still have 100+ FCT left.

[Ekson Valdez]

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[Ken Harkin]

KMDD counts for alot I believe. Solo Kill + KMDD is double dipping. Team Damage has a big negative effect, gotta love when your team charges that red smoke...

There are plenty of times where the most damage or most kills does not wind up with the highest match score. It would be nice to see the scores for the drop showing all participants including KMDD as well.

[Void Angel]

Too much transparency can enable toxic behaviors, so there is a trade-off - but more is generally better.

[Gasboy]

KursedVixen, on 16 March 2025 - 01:56 PM, said:

8 Er mediums and 2 heavy large.

i'd understand if there's some sort of MS multiplier based on weight of mech used but still i feel like i should have gotten closer to him in terms of match score. I would think a killing blow would be worth more than a Kill assist while a kill assist is just hitting someone and killing blow is the last shot that caused the destruction of the mech, that is still taking guns off the field that could potentially destroy the rest of my team leaving the enemy team less of a threat, though TBH the last kill i got was a longbow with all Lrms who for some reason decided to stick in my face...

So a guy does 500 damage to a mech and you do 3 damage and kill it, and you expect to be rewarded more? Not how it works. If anything the killing blow is simply a bonus, not a huge source of match score.

[LordNothing]

kmdds are worth a lot more than killing blow. you can get a kill stealer, but they wont get all the extra bonuses you get when you do actual work. kill stealing is not bad in my opinion, anything that removes mechs from the game helps our team achieve victory. you get a lot more points in a victory.

though i feel like i get the biggest psr gains in losses for some reason. i think this is because of carry factor. if you are an upper mid tier player (i teeter totter between 3 and 2 and back again, highly dependant on what mechs i use), then to make meaningful gains you need to carry a team. if you get carried its very hard to get that green arrow. but if you fight a losing battle with a down tier team you usually get a green arrow. i figure the dynamics are different further down tier with how 4-5s are (sometimes) isolated from 2-1s.

i should attack the problem more scientifically to see what is actually going on. but then again i really dont play for tier, so the point is moot. might do that as i come to the end of pokemechs, but right now i got a lot of not so good mechs to run.

[IDGAFF]

Arty strickes, UAV's, scouting, targeting assist, a lot of those things add up as well...

[lshtaria]

Scouting, targeting assists, "protected ***" for co-ordinated attacks, hit and run... there is so much involved when it comes to bonuses and it's quite a comprehensive system. Hanging back, peeking and poking a few successful alphas regardless of how many kills you get won't net you much score at all. General involvement with the battle will. Don't be a b****, get your hands dirty