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[Meep Meep]

Ghillie is kinda weak both hardpoints and quirks.

How about this? Basically give it the Heavy Metal treatment.


COOLDOWN -15%
FALL DAMAGE -25%
HEAT -10%
RANGE +10%
WEAPON VELOCITY +10%
JJ BURNTIME +15%
JJ INITIAL THRUST +200%
JUMP JET HEAT -20%

Its an mc hero mech so it should be the best enforcer platform.

And yes the lpl fit is good but shouldn't it be able to use more than one effective fit?

Edited by Meep Meep, 15 May 2025 - 03:46 PM.

[LordNothing]

i wonder if you could just give it a stupid gauss charge time quirk so it can fire near insantly. single gauss doing this isnt much of a problem.

[Meep Meep]

Cauldronies feel its good enuff on existing quirks with lpl fit and yeah thats strong but thats also boring. To be fair I'd be happy with just the jj quirks but the heavy metal treatment would be veddy nice too and wouldn't really change the lpl fit performance curve much.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Meep Meep, on 15 May 2025 - 03:38 PM, said:

Its an mc hero mech so it should be the best enforcer platform.

That's.....not how that works. Just because it costs MC doesn't mean it should be the best variant.

[Meep Meep]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 15 May 2025 - 04:05 PM, said:

That's.....not how that works. Just because it costs MC doesn't mean it should be the best variant.

But in effect thats how it usually goes. There are a few hero barkers but the majority are good or very good. Not saying the ghillie is bad its not but its not really very flexible past lpl. You can make other fits work but you have to MAKE them work.

[Ttly]

I'm not a big fan of gauss medium/lights, the weight alone really limits any that uses them to being "almost as slow as a heavy" which really makes you wonder: why not just play an actual heavy?
The HBK-Gridiron for example doesn't have much over RGH-2A aside from higher decel stat with the latter even having 2gauss as an option.
And the SHD-2D with gauss just feels pitiful, I'd rather put on an UAC5 on it and even then it's still terrible.
And hey, no one ever bothers playing an C-AC/UAC Shadow Cat either, let alone a gauss one.

As far as sniping gameplay go, mediums do already have ER PPCs (and some AC2/5 ones) anyway, with a lot of quirks on the likes of CRB-27 or NVA-A, even the CDA-3F just short on the heat quirks at most.

Edited by Ttly, 16 May 2025 - 04:18 AM.

[epikt]

Meep Meep, on 15 May 2025 - 04:49 PM, said:

But in effect thats how it usually goes. There are a few hero barkers but the majority are good or very good.

There is a difference between "being good" and "should be the best".

Personally, what I ask of heroes is providing an interesting twist on the chassis. A good example could be the Jenner-IIC Fury: not bad, probably not the best of the JR7-IIC but has its niches and allows for some unique gameplay compared to other variants.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

SHD2D is stupid but fun with HGauss and 2 SRM4, I think they were kind of hard up for ideas on what to do with the damn thing so "Gauss quirks it is" except Gray Death actually can match the cooldown outright with generic ballistic quirking iirc?

SHD arm mounts blow and I avoid whenever possible

Also you're supposed to put UAC5s on the 5M silly, it rips with 2 of them

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 15 May 2025 - 06:36 PM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Meep Meep, on 15 May 2025 - 04:49 PM, said:

But in effect thats how it usually goes. There are a few hero barkers but the majority are good or very good.

Yeah idk about that. The ones that are good definitely stand out but are more the exception than the rule.

For lights and mediums (excluding omnimechs for reasons) you pretty much have:

• Sabre (isn't really better but definitely strong)
  
• Firestorm (barely)
  
• Death's Knell (at least better than non-D03 counterparts)
  
• Katana Kat (this is a maybe, because Panthers aren't really great anyway)
  
• Street Cleaner
  
• Rival
  
• Arrow (different from the 1X but way more versatile)
  
• Grid Iron (not the best, but definitely has a role)
  
• High Roller (one dimensional but still strong)
  
• Tinman
  
• Belial

That's 11 out of 42 options, and some of them are just downright the worst options of the chassis like the Hi There or Pretty Baby.

[Drenzul]

Meep Meep, on 15 May 2025 - 04:49 PM, said:

But in effect thats how it usually goes. There are a few hero barkers but the majority are good or very good. Not saying the ghillie is bad its not but its not really very flexible past lpl. You can make other fits work but you have to MAKE them work.

Not really true, just the MC mechs are normally heavily specialised.
That does mean when they shine they tend to really shine, but also suck hard when they suck.

[Meep Meep]

Well thats my argument. It could use a bit more specialization. Seems to be made for poptarting with the lpl meta the cauldron says is its role so why not give it some jj buffs.

[Ttly]

Well that's the thing, it already has ECM (and even stealth armor quirk) to let it pull of some stupid positioning with that and JJs on QP matches. I don't really think it needs that much buff on that regard.

I mean it can put on an AC5+ERMLs as well and still be decently mobile with almost as much range as LPLs even if less burst damage.
There's even the 4 STD Large Laser build too for it (more range than 3LPL for 1s burn duration instead).

And well, let's face it, ECM and stealth builds are just often obnoxious to play against as well.

Edited by Ttly, 16 May 2025 - 04:33 AM.

[LordNothing]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 15 May 2025 - 04:05 PM, said:

That's.....not how that works. Just because it costs MC doesn't mean it should be the best variant.

as somone who has collected almost all the heroes, i can tell you that its pretty rare to find a meta hero. many are crap.

[Scout Derek]

no.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

LordNothing, on 16 May 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

as somone who has collected almost all the heroes, i can tell you that its pretty rare to find a meta hero. many are crap.

Because of the base chassis or...?

I can probably make a list of what I have SEEN in QP and my inferences from hero vs rest of chassis variants and whether that has any bearing on anything idk but that would be a huge post

[LordNothing]

a 5 year old with an Uzi, on 17 May 2025 - 08:30 AM, said:

Because of the base chassis or...?

I can probably make a list of what I have SEEN in QP and my inferences from hero vs rest of chassis variants and whether that has any bearing on anything idk but that would be a huge post

sometimes the chassis, sometimes the hardpoints, sometimes both. quirks also matter. the worst ones are the ones intended to have mixed hardpoints. those usually have other variants that are better that let you maximize one weapon type.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

LordNothing, on 17 May 2025 - 10:48 AM, said:

sometimes the chassis, sometimes the hardpoints, sometimes both. quirks also matter. the worst ones are the ones intended to have mixed hardpoints. those usually have other variants that are better that let you maximize one weapon type.

Quarantine looks like it might be the worst Wolverine tbh especially with Starshot around, never see it

Top Dog is really rare in QP but I don't know why, it looks like it should be really solid

I never see Ravager, not entirely sure why. Occasionally see Broadside

Never see Bludgeon, it looks incredibly outclassed by nearly anything else

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 17 May 2025 - 12:17 PM.

[Meep Meep]

I just want some jj boofs. The rest was why not. ;^p

This would be fine by me.

Doesn't buff the lpl fit but does allow for more effective gauss and ppc fits.


GAUSS COOLDOWN -25%
COOLDOWN -5%
RANGE +5%
WEAPON VELOCITY +15%
FALL DAMAGE -25%
JJ BURNTIME +20%
JJ INITIAL THRUST +50%
JUMP JET HEAT -20%

Edited by Meep Meep, 17 May 2025 - 01:35 PM.

[Gasboy]

Meep Meep, on 15 May 2025 - 04:49 PM, said:

But in effect thats how it usually goes. There are a few hero barkers but the majority are good or very good. Not saying the ghillie is bad its not but its not really very flexible past lpl. You can make other fits work but you have to MAKE them work.

The fact that this is how is has been in the past is no reason to continue the trend.

Some mechs aren't as flexible as others. If they were all equally flexible there'd be little point in having more than one chasis per weight category except for looks.

Yes, sometimes you have to make a build work. That's the challenge of building outside the mech's quirks.

[Meep Meep]

Gasboy, on 18 May 2025 - 05:01 AM, said:

The fact that this is how is has been in the past is no reason to continue the trend.

Some mechs aren't as flexible as others. If they were all equally flexible there'd be little point in having more than one chasis per weight category except for looks.

Yes, sometimes you have to make a build work. That's the challenge of building outside the mech's quirks.

How many enforcers including the ghillie do you see in quick play? Other than the dakka one very rarely and even then its usually 'punishment' on a stream where a viewer forced them to play it.