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[BlueDevilspawn]

The Fire Ant is the second least played Flea variant. There is quantitative data that proves as such so not sure about the raving claims as to its "OP-ness".

There have never been JJs on the Hellbringer Haight (It's from MW4 btw).

Shadow Hawk Sandy is the first IS 55 tonner able to carry a full lasvom build (2+6) or PPC poptart with backup smalls. At least, those are the builds I intend to try when it launches.

Yep, the Hollander is bare bones as a chassis with variants that are accessible given the flexibility of MWO's mechlab, so we adjusted the FS9-H to get "Hollander at home."

[Duke Falcon]

Yes, Alex Haight is from MW4 mercs. He were the dude with the lurmboat Cougar... Wonder why he were particularily chosen? <= Looks at the Hellbringer... Yeah, cooooould be da reason...

Never ever any Hellbringer had JJs. Not in MW4 where mechlab were a joke => Executioner\Gladiator full of cEr M-lazorz FTW.

Sandy seems a nice girl. The only IS Shady hawk so far I may ever pilot (PPCs FTW!!!).

"Hollander at home"... Can we pass the Hollander for the better Hollander II? <just jokin'>

[Lionheart2012]

Just put in the Hollander. We don't need crazy meme-ish quirks for the FS9-H.

simon1812, on 16 October 2025 - 01:21 PM, said:

PGI forgot to polish the appearance of the gauntlet tsk tsk tsk

forgot to add JJ to the Haight

forgot to add melee

they are all very interesting though

Melee is not happening in MWO.

[KursedVixen]

Lionheart2012, on 17 October 2025 - 10:21 AM, said:

Just put in the Hollander. We don't need crazy meme-ish quirks for the FS9-H.



Melee is not happening in MWO.

actually it's impossible on this engine with the current team.

[CycKath]

Icons considered Booster Pack for Loyalty Rewards?

[BlueDevilspawn]

CycKath, on 17 October 2025 - 12:53 PM, said:

Icons considered Booster Pack for Loyalty Rewards?

It was mentioned in the same grouping for Prime Rewards so it should be a booster pack.

[Will9761]

My thoughts on these mechs:

Shadow Hawk Sandy - It is rather interesting as an all-energy variant.


Hellbringer Haight - It's good to see Alex Haight's Hellbringer from Mechwarrior 4: Mercs make a return to MWO. With the Virago hero hardpoints, it has the potential of being the ultimate missile boat for the Hellbringer.

Timber Wolf Bounty Hunter 2 - With the ECM hardpoint from the first one, I can see this being a dominant variant.

Dire Wolf Widowmaker - I get why Tiy0s decided to go with the second variant, given the fact you can already make the first one with the various DW hardpoints. It's time to grab a Summoner and recreate the Refusal War's Battle of Twycross .

[Ekson Valdez]

CycKath, on 17 October 2025 - 12:53 PM, said:

Icons considered Booster Pack for Loyalty Rewards?

yes

[BlueDevilspawn]

Will9761, on 17 October 2025 - 01:33 PM, said:

My thoughts on these mechs:

Shadow Hawk Sandy - It is rather interesting as an all-energy variant.


Hellbringer Haight - It's good to see Alex Haight's Hellbringer from Mechwarrior 4: Mercs make a return to MWO. With the Virago hero hardpoints, it has the potential of being the ultimate missile boat for the Hellbringer.

Timber Wolf Bounty Hunter 2 - With the ECM hardpoint from the first one, I can see this being a dominant variant.

Dire Wolf Widowmaker - I get why Tiy0s decided to go with the second variant, given the fact you can already make the first one with the various DW hardpoints. It's time to grab a Summoner and recreate the Refusal War's Battle of Twycross .

Regarding the Widowmaker yeah... someone commented someplace that they didn't consider this Widowmaker canon which is the height of irony as it is indeed from canon.

For anyone who hasn't already figured it out, Kerensky's Widowmaker is pretty much this build
https://mwo.nav-alph...=f2383e17_DWF-W

Like Tiyos said, it's not worth repackaging already existing hardpoints.

[Hawk819]

BlueDevilspawn, on 17 October 2025 - 01:35 PM, said:

Regarding the Widowmaker yeah... someone commented someplace that they didn't consider this Widowmaker canon which is the height of irony as it is indeed from canon.

For anyone who hasn't already figured it out, Kerensky's Widowmaker is pretty much this build
https://mwo.nav-alph...=f2383e17_DWF-W

Like Tiyos said, it's not worth repackaging already existing hardpoints.

No, it's not canon. I fact, I confirmed it when I asked the writers, and all agreed, its not canon. Not even close. Her LRM Trial has these weapons:

x2 LRM 20 - right and left arm
one ton of ammo in each arm.

x2 Large Oulse Laser - Right and Left Arm

Ultra AC/20 - Left Torso
x3 ER Medium Lasers - Right
Ammo for Ultra AC/20 - Center Torso

Mind you, this version may not be canon. If anything, CGL needs to release a record sheet of the variant. Might be one found on MegaMek.

[Pz_DC]

Those light's quirks are... dissapointing. Bust them even more? It's already one of the most unbalanced classes in game. And that FS-9H HGR is looks like a bad-bad joke - who need lights with speed of assault?.. All those quirks make me thing they are using AI for make it...

[Rhaelcan]

Pz_DC, on 17 October 2025 - 03:15 PM, said:

Those light's quirks are... dissapointing. Bust them even more? It's already one of the most unbalanced classes in game. And that FS-9H HGR is looks like a bad-bad joke - who need lights with speed of assault?.. All those quirks make me thing they are using AI for make it...

Just hit them, they pop.

[Tiy0s]

Hawk819, on 17 October 2025 - 02:10 PM, said:

No, it's not canon. I fact, I confirmed it when I asked the writers, and all agreed, its not canon. Not even close. Her LRM Trial has these weapons:

x2 LRM 20 - right and left arm
one ton of ammo in each arm.

x2 Large Oulse Laser - Right and Left Arm

Ultra AC/20 - Left Torso
x3 ER Medium Lasers - Right
Ammo for Ultra AC/20 - Center Torso

Mind you, this version may not be canon. If anything, CGL needs to release a record sheet of the variant. Might be one found on MegaMek.

I’d be curious to talk to the writers of Blood Legacy since you seem to have that connection. Especially since Sarna described my MW5 Clans Widowmaker with the same loadout as “a good match for the description of the canonical-but-undefined "Widowmaker LRM" above.” Since they didn’t put a proper loadout in the books, all I could do was read the chapter it’s in and use that to approximate.

“The configuration of Dire Wolf was piloted by Natasha Kerensky at her Trial of Position to test out as a MechWarrior. It carried LRM launchers on its shoulders and an autocannon and three lasers in its torso. Each arm ended in two unidentified weapon barrels, in an over-under arrangement. No record sheet or statistics have been provided for this configuration, though the (apocryphal) MechWarrior 5: Clans version below is a good match for this description.”

I do appreciate that most players understand the decision for the swap and that complaints about canon won’t lead anywhere without an official TRO writeup on the mech.

2 barrels in each arm being the LPL and ERPPC, each LRM in each arm being the 10, the autocannon and 3 lasers being the UAC20 and 3 ERML, it seems like a proper extrapolation from the actual Widowmaker to this undefined version. In fact, given the double barrel in the arm mention, I’m confused as to why you say there’s only an LPL in each arm?

[Hawk819]

Tiy0s, on 17 October 2025 - 05:00 PM, said:

I’d be curious to talk to the writers of Blood Legacy since you seem to have that connection. Especially since Sarna described my MW5 Clans Widowmaker with the same loadout as “a good match for the description of the canonical-but-undefined &quot;Widowmaker LRM&quot; above.” Since they didn’t put a proper loadout in the books, all I could do was read the chapter it’s in and use that to approximate.

“The configuration of Dire Wolf was piloted by Natasha Kerensky at her Trial of Position to test out as a MechWarrior. It carried LRM launchers on its shoulders and an autocannon and three lasers in its torso. Each arm ended in two unidentified weapon barrels, in an over-under arrangement. No record sheet or statistics have been provided for this configuration, though the (apocryphal) MechWarrior 5: Clans version below is a good match for this description.”

I do appreciate that most players understand the decision for the swap and that complaints about canon won’t lead anywhere without an official TRO writeup on the mech.

2 barrels in each arm being the LPL and ERPPC, each LRM in each arm being the 10, the autocannon and 3 lasers being the UAC20 and 3 ERML, it seems like a proper extrapolation from the actual Widowmaker to this undefined version. In fact, given the double barrel in the arm mention, I’m confused as to why you say there’s only an LPL in each arm?

You got me, cause I have no idea. I read did a search on Mordel.net and this is what found:
https://mordel.net/tro.php?
a=vt&ut=bm&id=43299&fltr=cp.0~qf.000.Name%2FModel~Contains~Daishi%20(Dire%20Wolf)%20%22Widowmaker%20LRM%22

TBH, the LRMs were one shot variants. I read some years back on the Battlecorps forum, a fan asked about this, and got the same as all of us, that nothing in the book is legit canon, and the same coould be said for Sarna. That the variant is total fan fiction aside from the book. Remember, the focus was on Phelan, and not Natasha, and what happened to him during the trial. In fact, if I were you and the position to choose between this version of the Widowmaker and Phelan's Dire Wolf. My choice would be hands down Phelan's. Cause the design is absolutely clear and concise, and there's record of it in the Record Sheets.

Edited by Hawk819, 17 October 2025 - 05:58 PM.

[Tiy0s]

Hawk819, on 17 October 2025 - 05:57 PM, said:

You got me, cause I have no idea. I read did a search on Mordel.net and this is what found:
https://mordel.net/tro.php?
a=vt&ut=bm&id=43299&fltr=cp.0~qf.000.Name%2FModel~Contains~Daishi%20(Dire%20Wolf)%20%22Widowmaker%20LRM%22

TBH, the LRMs were one shot variants. I read some years back on the Battlecorps forum, a fan asked about this, and got the same as all of us, that nothing in the book is legit canon, and the same coould be said for Sarna. That the variant is total fan fiction aside from the book. Remember, the focus was on Phelan, and not Natasha, and what happened to him during the trial. In fact, if I were you and the position to choose between this version of the Widowmaker and Phelan's Dire Wolf. My choice would be hands down Phelan's. Cause the design is absolutely clear and concise, and there's record of it in the Record Sheets.

I'm confused. In your earlier post you said you "asked the writers and all agreed." But you just looked it up on a TRO website and got someone else's fan made version that's less accurate that mine? And are just remembering something you read years ago?

You didn't actually talk to any writers or an authoritative source?

Hawk819, on 17 October 2025 - 02:10 PM, said:

No, it's not canon. I fact, I confirmed it when I asked the writers, and all agreed, its not canon.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

These booster pack mechs are not available as individual purchases?

Pretty much just after the SHD.

Edited by a 5 year old with an Uzi, 17 October 2025 - 09:02 PM.

[Duke Falcon]

Hawk819, on 17 October 2025 - 05:57 PM, said:

Phelan's Dire Wolf

Correct me if I am wrong but Phelan piloted a Timber wolf during his Trial of Position. He even noted it looked like Vlad's and Natasha assured him that it were indeed Vlad's Timber wolf...
I never read the original english novels of the original trilogy but the german and hungarian translations.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Are these going to be released on Steam?

[Hawk819]

Duke Falcon, on 18 October 2025 - 01:15 AM, said:

Correct me if I am wrong but Phelan piloted a Timber wolf during his Trial of Position. He even noted it looked like Vlad's and Natasha assured him that it were indeed Vlad's Timber wolf...
I never read the original english novels of the original trilogy but the german and hungarian translations.

Nope. Both Trial 'Mechs for Phelan and Natasha were Dire Wolves. Natasha chose the Trial 'Mechs.

[Hawk819]

Tiy0s, on 17 October 2025 - 06:08 PM, said:

I'm confused. In your earlier post you said you &quot;asked the writers and all agreed.&quot; But you just looked it up on a TRO website and got someone else's fan made version that's less accurate that mine? And are just remembering something you read years ago?

You didn't actually talk to any writers or an authoritative source?

It's been a while, and I believe I asked Randall Bills at GenCon in 2007, and later, Mike [Stackpole], some time after that. As for the TRO site, I read it from here: https://battletech.c...p?topic=86467.0 and if scroll down on the post, Hellraiser, posted what he believes are the variants stats. It looks similar to yours. Just the lasers are misplaced: 2 ER Meds in the CT, and the emotional support ER Small in the Head. If he's right about it. The PPCs should be ER Larges. But it all depends on the source material. In this case, we're all confused as hell thanks to 1st, FASA not keeping the original source material relevant, and later, CGL, for not doing the same.

Years back, FASA had released it back in the '90's, and after they closed their doors for good, WizKids took over, and well, just like FASA and CGL, they too didn't keep things relevant. So we're all stuck with guessing the variant. If you ask me, I believe Hellraiser's version is the more accurate version rather than Mordel.net or Sarna. And that's the one I'll use. As for the one you made, it'll do. There's no need to make changes.

It just goes to show that those who control the canon need to keep things relevant, and not leave us all hanging with our asses flapping in the wind.

Edited by Hawk819, 18 October 2025 - 03:46 AM.