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[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players. That is some bullcrap. I managed to get back to tier 4 and who is on the other team?! A top ranked Tier 1 COMP player. As I suspected, new or not so good casual players are just food for the pros and PGI ABSOLUTELY KNOWS.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

https://mwomercs.com...v8-post-mortem/

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During periods with long search times, we will instead prioritize opening the tier gates quicker to merge our player base into fewer buckets until a better solution presents itself.

Yeah, they sure know, they even told us. You aren't getting fed like lambs to the slaughter just because you saw a singular tier 1 player, it's not some grand conspiracy, because again, they explicitly told everyone that during low population times the tier gates open sooner.

It's also soup queue which complicates the tier gates a bit since there's nothing stopping a tier 1 player from grouping with a tier 4/5.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 30 October 2025 - 09:14 PM.

[pbiggz]

ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER, on 30 October 2025 - 07:37 PM, said:

Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players. That is some bullcrap. I managed to get back to tier 4 and who is on the other team?! A top ranked Tier 1 COMP player. As I suspected, new or not so good casual players are just food for the pros and PGI ABSOLUTELY KNOWS.

We're having a normal time i see

[VeeOt Dragon]

sounds like just a normal day of MWO

[martian]

ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER, on 30 October 2025 - 07:37 PM, said:

The Tier Lie

Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players. That is some bullcrap. I managed to get back to tier 4 and who is on the other team?! A top ranked Tier 1 COMP player. As I suspected, new or not so good casual players are just food for the pros and PGI ABSOLUTELY KNOWS.

You are so wrong:

Your The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players." is a complete "bullcrap". PGI has not promised us such thing when they unveiled the current match maker.

Actually, some time ago PGI told us explicitly that such thing can happen. Read this official statement:

Piranha Games Inc. said:

There are times where the Match Maker runs out of players. When this happens and the queue is waiting to fill beyond release valve timers, there will be the odd circumstance where all valves are open and you will see a full open Tier/Weight Class match formed. While this is fairly rare, it is possible.

Conclusion: The only liar in this thread is you. You have created a strawman (The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players.") and now you are fighting it.

Edited by martian, 31 October 2025 - 05:11 AM.

[Saved By The Bell]

I run weak lights and would join you soon, wait me.

[fxd3]

BF6 is really screwing with the population.

[LordNothing]

martian, on 30 October 2025 - 09:54 PM, said:

You are so wrong:

Your The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players." is a complete "bullcrap". PGI has never promised us such thing.

Actually, some time ago PGI told us explicitly that such thing can happen. Read this official statement:

Conclusion: The only liar in this thread is you. You have created a strawman (The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players."), i.e. something what PGI has never promised and now you are fighting it.

im not too sure about that. depending on when you play you could have full mm or none. there are times where you see the same 24 players over and over again match after match. cadets with mwowc winners. it happens reguardless of what some legacy declaration pgi has put fourth. its old intel and the player base has changed, mm has changed, etc. i can enjoy the game with or without an mm myself. thats just the way gaming used to be.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 October 2025 - 01:20 AM.

[martian]

LordNothing, on 31 October 2025 - 01:16 AM, said:

im not too sure about that. depending on when you play you could have full mm or none. there are times where you see the same 24 players over and over again match after match. cadets with mwowc winners. it happens reguardless of what some legacy declaration pgi has put fourth. its old intel and the player base has changed, mm has changed, etc. i can enjoy the game with or without an mm myself. thats just the way gaming used to be.

I have not met a player with the Cadet badge/title for months or maybe even longer.

[pbiggz]

Guys if i ever lose its not my fault its everyone else's fault.

[Duke Falcon]

So, if I understood OP correctly... MWO is MWO and that's the problem?!
Just wait, dear OP, when you hit T3...

pbiggz, on 31 October 2025 - 07:29 AM, said:

Guys if i ever lose its not my fault its everyone else's fault.

Basic human behaviour: Not mah fault but Ur's, !d!0ts!
Oh, do you hear it echo through history..?

[LordNothing]

martian, on 31 October 2025 - 05:14 AM, said:

I have not met a player with the Cadet badge/title for months or maybe even longer.

im not so sure i would go out of my way to call it a blatant lie, as the op would. its just a system running grossly out of design spec.

Edited by LordNothing, 31 October 2025 - 11:42 AM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Better a tier 5 player go up against a tier 1 player than wait too long and not play at all. Besides, even if that happens, what's to stop your team from having its own tier 1 player on your side?

[Meep Meep]

TheCaptainJZ, on 02 November 2025 - 06:27 AM, said:

Better a tier 5 player go up against a tier 1 player than wait too long and not play at all. Besides, even if that happens, what's to stop your team from having its own tier 1 player on your side?

Hehe thats not the reason for the floodgates getting widened. T5~t3 are 80% of the active pop and typically even during low pop hours still get reasonably fast matchmaking. Its the tiny sliver of t1 that get hosed with super long waits that benefit. Also there are so few t1 that the odds of any particular t1 in the same lower tiers game is remote even during low pop hours.

I don't think the mm takes psr or tier into account on who ends up on what side so you could easily see top groups being pitted against a bunch of causal groups. Hilarity ensues!

edit: apparently I was wrong about group changes.

Edited by Meep Meep, 02 November 2025 - 11:41 PM.

[Ekson Valdez]

Meep Meep, on 02 November 2025 - 02:15 PM, said:

However there was another recent change that isn't getting any attention it seems. Soup was expanded. Yes now you can get two 4 mans on a side or some other combination of groups that take up almost an entire team. Bold experiment for sure as if anything will wreck lower tiers its going to be a sweaty group let alone an entire side of them.

Can you point me to the source of that?

[Meep Meep]

Ekson Valdez, on 02 November 2025 - 09:43 PM, said:

Can you point me to the source of that?

I may have misunderstood the conversation(not the first time) but I heard it on an mpg stream. If this isnt the case then delete edit my post.

Edited by Meep Meep, 02 November 2025 - 11:31 PM.

[Ekson Valdez]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't have definitive info on this. I'm being genuinely curious.

[Moadebe]

Ekson Valdez, on 03 November 2025 - 12:26 AM, said:

Oh, don't get me wrong, I don't have definitive info on this. I'm being genuinely curious.

As far as I know it IS possible to do a 4 man group and a two man group syncing. I came across one last Friday. Two 4 man groups I don't think can do it....Unless maybe the population of players is so low at that time and just a lot of groups are playing then...maybe?

I know its incredibly rare.

Now I am curious if whether any gates were opened.

[pbiggz]

Moadebe, on 03 November 2025 - 08:40 AM, said:

As far as I know it IS possible to do a 4 man group and a two man group syncing. I came across one last Friday. Two 4 man groups I don't think can do it....Unless maybe the population of players is so low at that time and just a lot of groups are playing then...maybe?

I know its incredibly rare.

Now I am curious if whether any gates were opened.

Gates would have to open.

No two ways about it, this is a niche game with a small population. Its a miracle the matchmaker works as well as it does; bigger studios have done alot worse with alot more money, so any time someone comes out with their chest puffed up declaring taht the matchmaker victimizes them personally and they should do this or that or stop this or that, you should be very skeptical, because they're basically saying they're mad enough to pull the last middle block out of the bottom of the jenga tower, just because they think high teir/group players/monthly boogeymen should suffer.

Edited by pbiggz, Yesterday, 09:32 AM.

[martian]

TheCaptainJZ, on 02 November 2025 - 06:27 AM, said:

Better a tier 5 player go up against a tier 1 player than wait too long and not play at all. Besides, even if that happens, what's to stop your team from having its own tier 1 player on your side?

You are right.

I laughed when I read that the OP met just one "top ranked Tier 1 COMP player" (of 12 enemy players) in the game and concluded that "new or not so good casual players are just food for the pros".

Yes, "PGI ABSOLUTELY KNOWS" and PGI actually said that it can happen when the number of active players is low.

The OP does not understand that sometimes it is necessary to put all available players in one bucket so the game can begin.