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[Wun]

Mauler is just too new. Endo steel and FF armor arent implemented yet.

Cyclops, Zeuss, Victor are fairly common lower tech mechs and much more likely to be next IMO.

[Ramirez Moahdiche]

Victor please and thank you.

[Geminus]

We need to learn the differance between "evidance" and speculation

[Xathanael]

Geminus, on 04 August 2012 - 03:53 AM, said:

We need to learn the differance between "evidance" and speculation

More like we need to learn the difference between evidence and "evidance" btw what is "evidance"? Is it something you do at a Rave?

[trycksh0t]

*Cough* Cyclops *Cough*

Sorry, can't bring up 90-tonners without mentioning the One-Eyed Wonder.

[ooClaymoreoo]

I dont think so for most of the reason that have already been posted.

I think the Assault tier is missing a Jump Mech, so im thinking a Victor or a Highlander.

Im more than hoping its a Highlander I'd sell my sister for a dam Highlander.

Theres also a strong case for a Cyclops as a command mech and for the Banshee.


Come on Dev's you know you want to

[Chuckie]

It almost seems certain it will be an:

Assault

From

3050 Tech readout

With

Lots of variants

And

Between 85-95 tons (Betting on 90)

Possibly

A scoutish mech (as fast and manuverable as a 90 ton mech can be) I am thinking it may have Jump Jets as all other classes have a Jump Capable mech.

and possibly

A unique mech that no one is expecting..

This leads me to believe it will be between the Katana, Cyclops, Battlemaster, Banshee, or Highlander


I'm thinking Highlander really just fits the best

Edited by Chuckie, 24 August 2012 - 11:10 AM.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

The majority vote from what I've seen is on Victor, Zeus, or Mauler. If Piranha aims to please; that's the list they are going to debate with.

[Chuckie]

Victor - Maybe but kind of light at 80 tons.. think they will want something between Atlas and Awesome

Zeus - See above and not unique enough (its an Awesome with a AC5 and no shoulder armor)

Mauler - Does not fit timeline... they have been picking mechs more "common" to the I.S.



Cyclops/Banshee fit with weight and speed, but dont have JJs

Katana has JJs, but is a rare mech (Two in existance) so doubt it..

Battlemaster is an unseen (which might work in its favor)

Leaving the Highlander, but it has some tech that is not in the game yet.. (but that didnt stop the Awesome)

Personally I think the Mech that fits best is the Emperor.. BUT its not a 3050 mech.

We will see IF they ever show us.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Victor would give us a lighter Assault Mech with jets, and is the favorite Assault Mech for Davion. It would be a great addition. The issue is that it is a Davion favorite, so it would either have to be exclusive to them or at least discounted for them to buy/repair.

Zeus is the favorite Assault Mech for Steiner, and would be another decent addition to the lineup. Sadly it doesn't have jets. But like the Victor, the Zeus is a House favorite; this time for Steiner.

Mauler is an iconic choice. You say it doesn't fit the timeline but according to sarna... it does. Site says it was used as early as 3038 by the Draconis Combine and entered main production in 3048.(A year before this game) But it was mostly still used by the Draconis Combine until 3050+. So the Mech exists and is around like the others, but like the others, it's a House favorite. This one is the favorite Assault for Draconis Combine.

They should just give us all of them and discount followers of the houses. As to which comes next? Take your guess.

[James Searcy]

Refer to sarna's article on the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set before you babble about what the next 'Mech is going to be, because all the previously announced ones are represented there, and in other starter boxes down through the ages.

Everyone posting about Maulers and Victors is only setting themselves up for hilarious disappointment.

[Spheroid]

James Searcy, on 24 August 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Refer to sarna's article on the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set before you babble about what the next 'Mech is going to be, because all the previously announced ones are represented there, and in other starter boxes down through the ages.

Everyone posting about Maulers and Victors is only setting themselves up for hilarious disappointment.

Really? Where do the Cataphract and Raven fit in that theory? Also the Victor was in Citytech 2nd Edition.

Edited by Spheroid, 24 August 2012 - 09:31 PM.

[Lagfest]

Its gonna be the banshee

[Suprentus]

It can't be the Mauler. I've seen mentioned that it only has 2 variants by 3049, and the current game model requires 3 variants.

Sigh...unfortunately that also means that the Mech I've been hoping for the most, the Devastator, won't make it either.

[Rathverge]

We kinda need a 75 ton heavy....

ORION ORION
ORION ORION!

[DoctorJest]

Honestly?
I don't care WHAT it is as long as it arrives very, very soon.

(Although I would like to see a Mauler if I had to make a choice ^^ )

[Strum Wealh]

James Searcy, on 24 August 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

Refer to sarna's article on the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set before you babble about what the next 'Mech is going to be, because all the previously announced ones are represented there, and in other starter boxes down through the ages.

Everyone posting about Maulers and Victors is only setting themselves up for hilarious disappointment.

TRO 3050 includes all of the thus-far announced 'Mechs.
The 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set (assuming the info on Sarna is correct) does not - it is missing the Raven, the Centurion, the Cataphract, and the Stalker.

Assuming BattleMech 16 is going to be an Assault 'Mech (which may not necessarily the case) featured in TRO 3050 and that it won't be 1.) one of the Unseen or 2.) a Clan 'Mech or 3.) exclusive to either ComStar or the Wolf's Dragoons as of 3049-3050 or 4.) a Quad 'Mech, it could potentially be a:
Charger
Hatamoto-Chi
Victor
Zeus
Katana
Cyclops
Mauler
Banshee

According to the Master Unit List (published by Catalyst Game Labs), there is exactly one variant of the Mauler available before 3050: the MAL-1R.
The next variant to make its debut is the MAL-C, due in 3051.
The Daboku, the immediate predecessor to the Mauler, is identical in terms of hardpoints and their layout, and was generally considered a failure in-universe. Thus, there are unlikely to be many available, making it an uncommon 'Mech.

Likewise, the Katana has exactly one variant available prior to 3050: the CRK-5003-2.
The next variant to make its debut is the CRK-5003-C, due in 3057.
Also:

Chuckie, on 24 August 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

Katana has JJs, but is a rare mech (Two in existence) so doubt it..

The Katana is indeed jump-capable, though the statement about there being only two in existence sounds like a reference to the Shogun (for which that is the case by 3068, in addition to it being mostly exclusive to the Wolf's Dragoons).

Both the Hatamoto-Chi and the Banshee have plenty of timeline-appropriate variants, but many of each of those BattleMechs' variants are arguably quite lackluster.
However, both are considered rather visually distinctive and are generally not seen in previous MechWarrior computer games (though, the Hatamoto-Chi did appear in MechWarrior II: Mercenaries).

The Charger, through player customization, has the capability to fill much the same role(s) as the Awesome, and possibly being better at said roles than the Awesome - especially the CGR-1A9 and CGR-3K, with both being jump-capable and having energy hardpoints in each arm and each side-torso.
(Essentially, the CGR-1A9 and CGR-3K could potentially be turned into the equivalents of the MW4 quad-PPC/ERPPC Black Knight jump-snipers. Make of that what you will... )
By contrast, the CGR-1A5 is more-or-less a potential lightweight-Atlas, but with all of its weapons in the head and torso sections.
In summary, the implementation of the Charger (or, at least, certain variants thereof) may present some metagame balance issues.

The Victor, Zeus, and Cyclops are fairly comparable in terms of (potential) armaments.
The Cyclops is heavier and essentially the epitome of Command 'Mechs - which might mean that it may not "come into its own" until Role Warfare is fully implemented.
The Victor is jump-capable, while the Zeus is not.
The Zeus is arguably more iconic than either the Victor or the Cyclops.

Your thoughts?

Edited by Strum Wealh, 26 August 2012 - 03:48 PM.

[Chuckie]

Strum Wealh, on 25 August 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

TRO 3050 includes all of the thus-far announced 'Mechs.

>>>

The Zeus is arguably more iconic than either the Victor or the Cyclops.

Your thoughts?

All great arguments..

BUT ALL the mechs are also in TRO 305 REVISED which includes the Highlander.

http://www.sarna.net...t:_3050_Revised

Also Zeus while iconic is simply an Awesome without Shoulder armor, although it does have a ballistic hardpoint..

The Victor I like but at 80 tons seems to light

The Cyclops is perfect in filling the gap in tonnage, but no JJs

So it comes back down to the Highlander.. 90 tons, has JJs, and a Ballistic point, and many variants.

It just fits.. perfectly..

[Banekane]

i would love to see some of the 2500 yr mechs come up into the game and my reasoning is simple the older the mech chassis the more the varients and posibly the cheaper on the wallet from buying a aged outdated modle as well i have read numerous books where the hero had ben in a outdated mech and stood toe to toe with the newer models why because over the years weaponry never changed and for 2 it is those outdated mech that have meaning to a player who can clame it was handed down thier family for generations and on closing of my argument is outdated mechs will deffinatly make for a great starter mech

out of these outdated ones any omnimech class with weights of 70-100 tons would be ok for to fill the assult gap my money would be for a Zeus as it is a legendary mech though i want to see the Summoner(Thor) ingame some day however if it has to be exact year time frame i love the Banshee

[Strum Wealh]

Chuckie, on 26 August 2012 - 08:12 AM, said:

All great arguments..

BUT ALL the mechs are also in TRO 305 REVISED which includes the Highlander.

http://www.sarna.net...t:_3050_Revised

Also Zeus while iconic is simply an Awesome without Shoulder armor, although it does have a ballistic hardpoint..

The Victor I like but at 80 tons seems to light

The Cyclops is perfect in filling the gap in tonnage, but no JJs

So it comes back down to the Highlander.. 90 tons, has JJs, and a Ballistic point, and many variants.

It just fits.. perfectly..

Though, the Highlander does have issues with 1.) the lack of timeline-appropriate variants and 2.) variant diversity.

From TRO 3050 Upgrade, pg. 220:

Quote

As it did within the SLDF of old, the Highlander serves in attack, fire, assault, and command lances throughout the Com Guards and Blakist Militia. Relatively few found their way into the DCMS in the 3030s, almost all of which had been completely stripped of advanced technologies, but a handful remain in service inside the Ghost regiments. Perhaps unsurprisingly, the Clans are even known to have put an original Highlander onto the field.
Since the re-opening of StarCorps’ factories on Son Hoa in 3057, brand-new Highlanders have also been pouring into the ranks of Lyran BattleMech units, both regular army and mercenary. Assigned to pro-Katherine units prior to and during the FedCom Civil War, most remain within the Lyran armed forces, though some managed to find their way into the AFFS.

The HGN-732 (what most think of when they think of the Highlander) is nearly unheard-of outside of the Com Guards, the Blakists, and the Clans before 3057.

The HGN-732b was completely extinct by 2810 (near the end of the First Succession War).
The HGN-736 doesn't make its debut until 3059 and is exclusive to the Com Guards and the Blakists.
The HGN-734 doesn't make its debut until 3062.
The HGN-694 doesn't make its debut until the FedCom Civil War (3062-3067).
The HGN-738 doesn't make its debut until 3069.

That leaves the HGN-733 as the only truly timeline-appropriate variant.

Moreover, even if the HGN-732 was allowed, the HGN-732 and the HGN-733 have identical hardpoint layouts and generally-identical equipment set-ups; the latter exchanges the former's Gauss Rifle (and two tons of ammo) for an AC-10 (and two tons of ammo), two more tons of armor, and a Heat Sink.
As such, and much like the Mauler/Daboku pair and both variants of the Devastator (the DVS-1D and DVS-2), the HGN-732/HGN-733 pair are effectively the same 'Mech (as one could easily make each into the other), making the Highlander effectively a one-variant 'Mech at the point MWO starts.

Thus, I would doubt that the Highlander would be included among the 'Mechs announced before Open Beta/release.

Your thoughts?

Edited by Strum Wealh, 26 August 2012 - 03:50 PM.