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[Aidan]

@VulpesVeritas - and your point is? Your graphs demonstrate my statement of "Note the better perfomance of the AMD/ATI GPUs in the Crysis tests." But many of the other tests in the Anandtech review show the GTX 680 as performing better.

@DV^McKenna -

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Aidan if your going to use benchmarks at least use relevant ones.

I realize those tests were for CE2 but I do trust Anandtech in their technical reviews. Do you have any more instructions for me, Mr. Mckenna? Are you a member of the NBT league?

[Vulpesveritas]

My point is, you won't see a difference for the most part in games between the two in games, the 7970 is cheaper, and performs three times faster in GPU computing, and therefore is the better option for hardware acceleration. And once again it's $30 cheaper. Though, the 680 has PhysX, so if you play those titles, it may be more alluring. In the end, they are equal for the most part. The 680 is 5% faster in games and has PhysX, whereas the 7970 is slightly cheaper and has better compute functions. You can't go wrong with either.

[Catamount]

Actually, the 7970 is $50 cheaper, and that's $50 cheaper than the paper-launch 680 cards. In terms of real cards, with real prices, the 680 is vastly more than $500. Right now, you're doing good if you get it for $600. The cheapest I can find at the moment, in stock, is $650.

The $500 680 is little more than a publicity stunt. We're a month in, and Nvidia still isn't actually producing and selling 680s at that price point. If they ever do, great; it's a good card. For now, it's really an option between a $450 7970 and a $650 680. There really isn't much of a choice there, not for the sane, anyways


Actually, AMD is just killer at all price-points now. The 7770, the 7870, the 7970 are all just great deals, and usually better than their Nvidia counterparts it seems (for the moment; you never know when it'll charge)

Edited by Catamount, 21 April 2012 - 06:38 PM.

[Omega59er]

I'm an AMD guy, myself. Sure, they fell out of the gaming limelight for a few years but they have come back with their latest video cards. (And their processors are unbeatable, in my opinion.)

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Aidan, on 21 April 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

@DV^McKenna -
I realize those tests were for CE2 but I do trust Anandtech in their technical reviews. Do you have any more instructions for me, Mr. Mckenna? Are you a member of the NBT league?

I was, was not around at the time you got banned did hear about you going to other boards and trash talking and then getting banned from those boards though.

It does not matter if you trust Anandtech the benchmarks are not relevant to a game based on a different engine, and its always good practice if your helping someone else to use a few rather than the one that has different results than the rest to show just your point.

[Gremlich Johns]

I like my overclocked EVGA GTX460 a lot.......

[Aidan]

DV^McKenna, on 22 April 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

I was, was not around at the time you got banned did hear about you going to other boards and trash talking and then getting banned from those boards though.

It does not matter if you trust Anandtech the benchmarks are not relevant to a game based on a different engine, and its always good practice if your helping someone else to use a few rather than the one that has different results than the rest to show just your point.

Oh yes, I thought I recognized that "know it all", obnoxious, self righteous, and generally bossy attitude that runs rampant at NBT. Good to see you are true to your kind.

Your post would have been informative to the OP but you just couldn't help yourself at the end of the post ... could you? You just HAD to tell me what I should do. Well after all, everyone knows throughout the MechWarrior community that you are the resident expert on all things. And it is your lot in life to make sure you correct everyone.

And I wish you could read all of the trash talking I had to endure on the NBT forums. If I had a dollar for every word spoken against me on the NBT forums, I would make Mr. Bill Gates look like a pauper.

To the OP on this thread, I apologize to you for this momentary high jack. I hope you make a good informed decision and that you get good performance from whichever model GPU card you decide to purchase.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Aidan, on 22 April 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Oh yes, I thought I recognized that "know it all", obnoxious, self righteous, and generally bossy attitude that runs rampant at NBT. Good to see you are true to your kind.

Your post would have been informative to the OP but you just couldn't help yourself at the end of the post ... could you? You just HAD to tell me what I should do. Well after all, everyone knows throughout the MechWarrior community that you are the resident expert on all things. And it is your lot in life to make sure you correct everyone.

And I wish you could read all of the trash talking I had to endure on the NBT forums. If I had a dollar for every word spoken against me on the NBT forums, I would make Mr. Bill Gates look like a pauper.

To the OP on this thread, I apologize to you for this momentary high jack. I hope you make a good informed decision and that you get good performance from whichever model GPU card you decide to purchase.

Wut? the only thing your doing is being the first person to bring hate to these hardware forums, considering i wasn't around at the time in NBT, i can only assume you just hate on NBT in general, i can see your significantly upset by what happened.

My post was informative, and yes i did tell you what you should do, because its good practice to link multiple reviews, like most of the people here on these forums already do, reviews differ from site to site so its better to give people an overall impression from the tech community, than from one site that just proves your point.

If you post something that's factually incorrect/not relevant to the discussion people are going to point that out to you, it happens in virtually every thread in this sub forum, its part of the discussion and debate process and believe me these hardware forums see alot of debate

Edited by DV^McKenna, 22 April 2012 - 01:18 PM.

[Aidan]

DV^McKenna, on 22 April 2012 - 01:04 PM, said:

Wut? the only thing your doing is being the first person to bring hate to these hardware forums, considering i wasn't around at the time in NBT, i can only assume you just hate on NBT in general, i can see your significantly upset by what happened.

My post was informative, and yes i did tell you what you should do, because its good practice to link multiple reviews, like most of the people here on these forums already do, reviews differ from site to site so its better to give people an overall impression from the tech community, than from one site that just proves your point.

If you post something that's factually incorrect/not relevant to the discussion people are going to point that out to you, it happens in virtually every thread in this sub forum, its part of the discussion and debate process and believe me these hardware forums see alot of debate

And do you think the architectural discussion of the new NVIDIA GTX 680 by the Anandtech review is irrelevant? I posted something that was informative to the OP.

Enough said. Just drop it and don't tell me what I should do.

[Fiachdubh]

I've always been an AMD cpu and nVidia graphics card fan which is what my laptop has (5 years old now), only found out about the whole AMD/ATI thing when looked into getting a new rig for MWO. Will go with AMD CPU so also Radeon but still have a little brand loyalty soft spot for nVidia.

[Oderint dum Metuant]

Aidan, on 22 April 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

And do you think the architectural discussion of the new NVIDIA GTX 680 by the Anandtech review is irrelevant? I posted something that was informative to the OP.

Enough said. Just drop it and don't tell me what I should do.

The architectural is yes, if the OP understands it. The GPU graph no for warhead no.
Like i say if information is posted that is bad people will correct it, not just me there are alot of people here that are pretty good with computers is all i am saying.

You just need to take a chill pill

[Rambo Calrissian]

Catamount, on 21 April 2012 - 03:21 PM, said:

..., but statistically, they were considerably better, as recently as 2007.

http://downloadsquad...nvidia-drivers/

You should really learn to read statistics.

This statistic gives absolutely no information on which drivers are better or more stable as they don't provide any numbers of the used hardware.
As far as I remember NVidia has a much bigger market share than ATI. I don't know the numbers of that time, but let's say for example 75% used NVidia cards and 25% ATI cards, then the percentage of crashes caused by NVidia cards needed to be 4 times as much as the crashes caused by ATI to be evenly unstable.

Also Vista is known for being a challenge for hardware providers.
Especially some audio card developers took a damn long time to get their stuff fixed for Vista/Win7.

And then it might have just been one popular card/driver of that particular time, which had been unstable.
If you really want to make statements like "NVidia/AMD has the more stable drivers." you really need more data to get a valuable picture.

I personally have no clue, which one of both is better.
I can only say, that I'm using NVidia for quite some years now and the drivers always seemed fine to me.
Furthermore they seem to usually adjust their drivers a bit faster to new games than AMD does.

Edited by Rambo Calrissian, 23 April 2012 - 11:44 AM.

[LegendaryAtlas5000]

I´m very happy with my ATI Radeon 5700 HD.
I prefer to Ati because its a bit cheaper and have nearly same power as Nvidia.

[Catamount]

Rambo Calrissian, on 23 April 2012 - 11:38 AM, said:

You should really learn to read statistics.

This statistic gives absolutely no information on which drivers are better or more stable as they don't provide any numbers of the used hardware.
As far as I remember NVidia has a much bigger market share than ATI. I don't know the numbers of that time, but let's say for example 75% used NVidia cards and 25% ATI cards, then the percentage of crashes caused by NVidia cards needed to be 4 times as much as the crashes caused by ATI to be evenly unstable.

You're right! It seems that I and the entire rest of the tech world forget the most basic possible consideration!

By your own admission, you have no clue how such factors would impact this analysis, or how they were considered by Microsoft, Ars Technica, or anyone else, yet interestingly enough, you seem rather quick to jump on assumptions about how others look at data.


Almost everyone who got hold of that data, including Ars Technica, thought it clearly indicated a problem with NVidia drivers; clearly at least SOME of us have considered market share. Perhaps next time, rather than just assuming that undermines a point being made, you should go and actually look to see if there's something to what you're going to say before saying it.

Here are the marketshare numbers at the time: http://arstechnica.c...m-amd-intel.ars

Is Nvidia's three plus times AMD's? No? Are you sure?

Then please, don't treat me like a moron and assume I'm not familiar with basic statistics.

Edited by Catamount, 23 April 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Motionless]

I just sent off a package today RMA'ing a GTX 560 Ti to MSI. I hope it goes smoothly. That thing is a beast, but I think it had a vram problem. I'm nervous because I've heard less than stellar things about MSI's RMA process.

I've used a number of ATI/AMD and NVIDIA cards. I use windows and Linux -- and overall I'd much rather have NVIDIA. If not NVIDIA... then I'll take Intel.

[Catamount]

BSOD, motionless? If so and you're ever curious, you can look at the crash dump; it'll tell you if faulty VRAM was the problem (at least it should).

Hopefully it works out for you, in any case

Edited by Catamount, 23 April 2012 - 08:30 PM.

[Motionless]

Catamount, on 23 April 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

BSOD, motionless? If so and you're ever curious, you can look at the crash dump; it'll tell you if faulty VRAM was the problem (at least it should).

Never BSOD, heavy artifact at times, not even in games, just normal desktop usage.

In games and videos there was color problems and artifacts. And in games there was little pieces of terrain or characters that would stretch way across the screen and crap. (like this http://www.playtool....round010000.jpg)

A couple of times it would completely lock up, but it wouldn't give me a blue screen when it happened. I'm positive it's the card, because the same computer setups work with other cards, and it had these problems with two different computers -- and it wasn't heat, it wouldn't even get over 60c.

[Catamount]

Yes, that sounds like memory. If you let it sit long enough on lockup, eventually it likely would have crashed and given you a bugcheck, but I agree, that's definitely what it looks like.