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[prastagus]

http://cf.sarna.net/...o_text_only.pdf

It explains why Cappellans do not like Davions as they are much more devious and militant against Cappellans for centuries while we did nothing to them to cause such actions. The 80's and 90's novels proclaiming them to be good and us bad must be written by authors heavily influenced by Davion agents to blacken our names

[Thorn Hallis]

There is one "p" to much...

[Adridos]

prastagus, on 02 August 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

http://cf.sarna.net/...o_text_only.pdf

It explains why Cappellans do not like Davions as they are much more devious and militant against Cappellans for centuries while we did nothing to them to cause such actions. The 80's and 90's novels proclaiming them to be good and us bad must be written by authors heavily influenced by Davion agents to blacken our names

The authors are actually Com Star agents and even us, Capellans, can't trust those guys.

It's even stated in the Handbook: House Liao.

[prastagus]

True, but better than those Devion books. The truth is the middle and there are many reasons why FedCom didn't have to lie about ancient history of Capella

[IMTatsu]

It's always been in Comstar's best interest to keep the Successor States warring with each other. It's just plain good for business, plus, it keeps the attention off of them while they conduct their own (nefarious) activities and projects.

>:{

[prastagus]

It is but even in their report, we Capellians have been a victim of Davion's and to a lesser degree, the Mariks before the time of Franco Liao. We have been their victims for quite a long while and rarely we were the aggressors into their traditional territories. Even the efforts of Maximillian Liao, were created due to the continuing border attacks by Davions and Mariks that weakened our military to the point of collapse. Maximillian Liao can only rely on mercs, diplomacy, and non-traditional warfare to prevent complete break up of Cap Con. His tactics are similar to Franco Liao which Devion books can portray all they want, but it is due to their centuries of aggressions (as well as Marik's) on the smaller Cap Con that created and forced the emergence of Trio of Maximillian, Romano, and Sun Tzu Liao.

Edited by prastagus, 02 August 2012 - 11:42 AM.

[Balls of Steele]

Being the focus of attacks from two larger nations doesn't necessarily make the Confederation a victim and it's no good to occupy that frame of mind: play the victim and you will always be the victim. 3049 is a great point of history for us because from here on out we can only ever gain territory, even if it was all once ours. We will take back what is ours and we'll do what Capellans do best: survive. During the Jihad these supposedly stronger states were the ones that cracked and splintered while we fought back them and the Word of Blake at the same time.

Sun Tzu Liao says it best: "Always it must be one way or the other. Always either capitulation or compromise, if you are the Confederation. Give up Chesterton. Give up Tikonov. Give up St. Ives. Vilify the Confederation when it fights for its very survival. Recognize Chaos March realms as legitimate states rather allow the Confederation to reclaim what only rightfully belongs to it. No more."

[prastagus]

Balls of Steele, on 03 August 2012 - 03:59 AM, said:

Being the focus of attacks from two larger nations doesn't necessarily make the Confederation a victim and it's no good to occupy that frame of mind: play the victim and you will always be the victim. 3049 is a great point of history for us because from here on out we can only ever gain territory, even if it was all once ours. We will take back what is ours and we'll do what Capellans do best: survive. During the Jihad these supposedly stronger states were the ones that cracked and splintered while we fought back them and the Word of Blake at the same time.

Sun Tzu Liao says it best: "Always it must be one way or the other. Always either capitulation or compromise, if you are the Confederation. Give up Chesterton. Give up Tikonov. Give up St. Ives. Vilify the Confederation when it fights for its very survival. Recognize Chaos March realms as legitimate states rather allow the Confederation to reclaim what only rightfully belongs to it. No more."

Nah, Marik is an ally or soon to be one anyway. They are enemy of Steiners who joined with Davions. So our goal, even if in a victims mindset as it is actually true from history, is to take back our lands from the Davions which later Sun Tzu Liao did. Any extra we do in the game, is bonus. So for the game, an alliance of Liao, Marik, and Kurita should once again be arranged per the Concord of Kapteyn . Too bad Taurian isn't in the game yet.

Edited by prastagus, 03 August 2012 - 01:23 PM.

[Davik Soru]

Davion, Steiner, Davion-Steiner etc. really do have a good PR/propoganda/misinformation machine... I mean look at that cartoon they put out making the FedComs brave superheros against the 'evil' Clan Jade Falcon...

[Crankwerk]

The Norse republic, ftw, even if we speak swedish, ***..

[IMTatsu]

prastagus, on 03 August 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Nah, Marik is an ally or soon to be one anyway. They are enemy of Steiners who joined with Davions. So our goal, even if in a victims mindset as it is actually true from history, is to take back our lands from the Davions which later Sun Tzu Liao did. Any extra we do in the game, is bonus. So for the game, an alliance of Liao, Marik, and Kurita should once again be arranged per the Concord of Kapteyn . Too bad Taurian isn't in the game yet.

The enemy of my enemy is, while not necessarily my friend, at least . . . useful.

>:{

[prastagus]

IMTatsu, on 04 August 2012 - 02:21 AM, said:

The enemy of my enemy is, while not necessarily my friend, at least . . . useful.

>:{

Exactly. Very useful in the time being. Mariks know that as well so why not use each other to attack FCom? It is Kurita that we need to gauge and setup the Concord of Kapteyn. FRR can also be contacted and see if they will go along with this. Although we have no official leaders, we need to make overtures somehow

[Adridos]

FRR is already in alliance with Davions (even with Steiner's disapproval, but we all know how Daviots really view Steiner), so no allegiance with the faction itself, but some groups like Shieldwall of Rasalhague could help us out, for the right price.

[IMTatsu]

Historically, the Snakes have required little reason to engage the Daviots. That front may well take care of itself.

Or perhaps a little massaging of the situation by the Maskirovka could reap bounty as well.

>:{

[prastagus]

FRR maybe more neutral toward everyone if DCombine can relieve of their fears.

So following the timeline, the Concord should be already in effect. By 3050, clans would invade. We have but a short time to take back some more of the Capella Marche before that.