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[Keldun]

Big Gar, on 10 August 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

If your comp. is very capable of handling this game, but your internet connection is lacking,(even though it is the fastest available), how can you overcome this obstacle?

If you live in a country that is very far from the game server you might want to try some specialized vpn service that give better peering to the na continent.

Edit:please ignore that first part didn't notice you were in the usa.

How is your connection lacking ? Does it drop many packets? Have a very bad latency even to server close to your location ? or just low bandwidth ?
If it is just low bandwidth, it might not affect the game all that much since most of the online game dont send or receive much data anyway.

Edited by Keldun, 11 August 2012 - 04:25 AM.

[DraigUK]

The best thing you can do is rewire your house with specialist cable. When I lived out in the sticks a bit, my internet speed was 3.8 Mb/s. This was in line with what BT said the maximum speed I could get considering distance from the exchange etc. would be 3.5 Mb/s. This was on a broadband package of "Up to 8MB" speed, over BT's copper phone lines etc. The usual thing, that probably 90% of the UK has.

Once I rewired the house and put new specialist sockets in, it went up to 7.4 Mb/s. It was the fastest connection in the village. When Sky came along and upgraded the exchange to allow up to 20 Mb/s a second I switched to them and got 18Mb/s.

It was a time consuming process to rewire, I done it all myself. Took me a weekend to do it.I learnt how to do it from reading how to on the internet, basically. Put new specialist telephone sockets in, CAT5 internet wiring etc. Well worth it.

[SakuranoSenshi]

sumdumfu, on 11 August 2012 - 02:46 AM, said:

just as an addendum, ping does inversely correlate to bandwidth. a month ago i was on a 1.5 Mpbs DSL connection, and my ping in world of tanks was ~ 120ms. then i switched to 10Mbps cable and now it's down to about 80ms. this has been my experience since i started online gaming in 1997; higher bandwidth = lower ping.

No, it doesn't at all. You're misunderstanding correlation in the first place and confusing it with causation but the point is, ping has to do with the distance to your target and how reliable the network between you is. It has nothing at all to do with your bandwidth although if you are making full use of bandwidth at any given time you're saturating your network and packets to your target may well be delayed or dropped, resulting in greater latency.

P.S. Ping is just the tool that measures your latency, in reality. However, we've been using it as a synonym for network latency in a loose sense for a while because it's pretty much the standard name for that tool on any OS.

Edited by SakuranoSenshi, 11 August 2012 - 12:34 PM.

[Mechpriest]

Big Gar, on 10 August 2012 - 10:19 PM, said:

I guess that's a euphemism for I don't know. Thanks for the effort though. NOT

Truth hurts doesn't it?

[wowchick2021]

thats how my laptop is if i were to play this when its released my laptop will be slow i meet all requirements but it will be slow and i cant upgrade the graphics

[sumdumfu]

SakuranoSenshi, on 11 August 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

No, it doesn't at all. You're misunderstanding correlation in the first place and confusing it with causation but the point is, ping has to do with the distance to your target and how reliable the network between you is. It has nothing at all to do with your bandwidth although if you are making full use of bandwidth at any given time you're saturating your network and packets to your target may well be delayed or dropped, resulting in greater latency.

P.S. Ping is just the tool that measures your latency, in reality. However, we've been using it as a synonym for network latency in a loose sense for a while because it's pretty much the standard name for that tool on any OS.

ceteris paribus, do you know what that means genius? as in, ceteris paribus, higher bandwidth = lower ping. and no, i didn't confuse correlation with causation. the latter means you know what causes what; I wouldn't presume to know what causes what, just that there's a statistically significant relation i've noticed in my time as a gamer. as in, when i first started playing quake on dialup, a 300ms ping was considered good. then i switched to one-way cable and 150 was good. these days with two way broadband anything over 100 is considered horrible.

honestly, why do people like you feel the need to stomp around the internet correcting everyone, especially when it's clear you have neither the experience to speak knowledgeably on the subject, nor the rhetorical skill to actually debate the correct issue? half your post was irrelevant to my argument, and the other runs counter to the experience of anyone that's been on the internet for more than 10 years.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Given I was doing Latin when I was 8, aye, it's safe to assume I know what any Latin means and you're very perceptive because I actually am a genius. Oh, wait, you were trying to be clever? How cute.

You changed service and technology and then tried to draw a conclusion about how ping and maximum bandwidth affect one another (they don't), no matter the language you actually used to express that (which is why I mentioned that you were conflating correlation and causation and that neither applied).

And no, "all things being equal" or ceteris paribus if you prefer (pretention is always a good way to try and look clever... oh, no, it's not) bandwidth and latency (it's not ping, that's a standard tool to measure latency to a given address) still have nothing to do with each other. To put it in your simple terms; higher bandwidth =/= lower ping.

Honestly, why do people like you who cannot even capitalize properly try and correct people who actually do know what they are talking about or even try and pretend you know what you're talking about in the first place. Your rhetorical skills are non-existent, as demonstrated by your attempted posturing and poor writing and your technical knowledge is lacking, as demonstrated by pretty much everything you wrote.

In a term better suited to your likely experience: FAIL.

[bikerbass77]

A lot of the problems people will be getting is due to the fact that currently there is only one server running and it is in Canada. This will be a bigger obstical the further away you live. I personally live in the UK so my connection is going to suck until the EU servers come live.

[light487]

Bandwidth, to a certain extent, isn't going to matter.. whenever I see people saying they have a 100mbit cable, or 60mbit this or 20mbit ADSL2+ and so on.. I wonder why they are doing that. Sure, you need a certain amount of bandwidth to cope with the amount of data being sent (packets).. but you could have a 1gigabit connection with a 500ms ping and still have a bad game because the ping if so high... so unless you are on dialup or in the middle of nowhere with really low bandwidth (old school ADSL1), don't even bother looking at the speed... look at your ping... and not just a simple 4 poll test.. do something like:

ping /t ip.address

And let it poll for a good 30 to 60 seconds before hitting CTRL-C to stop and check the averages etc

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Speed with your ISP only helps to a degree. They cannot give you data faster than they can receive it themselves. As a networking student this is called throughput. Simply put, it is a bottleneck of transfer rates between 2 points usually caused by distance in which the full potential of your bandwidth isn't being used. For example if you have 10mbs and you try to download a file and notice the transfer is only occurring at 500kbs; it is being throughput capped. This can be a pre-set cap from the server for visitors(Almost every DL has such a cap) or it can simply be due to the distance and/or slow device/link hops between you and the device on the other side. In any case it means in this example that your bandwidth is being slowed to 500kbs simply because your ISP can't receive the data any faster in order to use the rest of your bandwidth. You can certainly use the rest of your bandwidth to multitask on other things(like multiple downloads), but it won't increase your performance with that 1 specific transfer.

What I'm basically saying is that if you live on a different continent from a game server then upgrading your bandwidth from your ISP might not help at all. They can't give you data faster than they can receive it themselves. Your bandwidth is a measure of data traffic per second between you and the ISP; not between them and something else. If you upgrade from 10mbs to 20mbs but your ISP can only get 1mbs worth of data bandwidth from a source then you won't see an improvement at all in that transfer despite the upgrade. Both will transfer at the same 1mbs and you will simply have 9 or 19 leftover for other things.(Meaning your game MS would remain the same)

I get a pretty good connection here in south Georgia, although I am hoping for a US East hosted server for an even better connection. As for foreigners; we'll have to see. They have stated that "if" they manage to get a foreign server they will offer you free transfers to to it; but they can't promise if such a server will be made. It will come down to whether or not they think they have enough players there for it to be worth funding. But there are LOTS of Germans and Australians on here so they should get some kind of foreign hosted server.

Edited by Bluten, 12 August 2012 - 07:57 PM.

[MuffinTop]

[Freyrs Huntsman]

I'm cursed to live in a suburb, in America no less, so I fall under a similar curse.
My plan for playing this game includes buying the Founder's Pack, and then a new wireless card!
I already use a gaming router for my home as is, and I get a speed of around 40 Mbps.

Edit: That's 4.0, not 40. Pff, I wish...

Edited by Freyrs Huntsman, 12 August 2012 - 08:16 PM.

[thejadefalcon]

http://www.speedtest.../2116381229.png

I really hate my internet. UK, small village, live within three hundred metres of the exchange that seems to have been completely forgotten by BT. At absolute best, I get 2 Mb/s download.

[Akea]

well i play from EU i have no ping issues at all with a 10 mbit connection (living on the fiber on the fiber *cough*)
i pay for a minimum speed of 10 mbit it has never dropped below 25 for me and some days i get up to 80 due to low traffic
basicly the ISP i have figured that if there is room on the net let the customers use it (and yes i live in a suburban area)

tbh im quite certain a small 2.5 connection is doable aslong as the communication infrastructure is properly expanded for the days load on the internets, but since i dont live in america i cant say how your infrastrucure is maintained for high load on the net

also what is that Mbit/d mean?

are you limited to X mbit a day? i though all ISP provided a steady speed or minimum speed service and not a *limiting you to this much a day service*
then again im a spoilt EU player

[SirDenOfYork]

Oh the things you should do WOW....

[light487]

Bluten, on 12 August 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

.....snip.

Why are you even talking about throughput when it is not relevant to the problem? You yourself should know that but you wrote like 1,000 words that amounts to basically nothing. Of course you can get more throughput.. but even if you had a 1gigabit connection on the opposite side of the world, your ping is still going to be "roughly" the same as someone sitting next to their exchange using an ADSL2. The 1gigabit connection means you should be able to do more stuff on the connection without it choking, sure... but the latency won't be lower.

[light487]

Freyrs Huntsman, on 12 August 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

I'm cursed to live in a suburb, in America no less, so I fall under a similar curse.
My plan for playing this game includes buying the Founder's Pack, and then a new wireless card!
I already use a gaming router for my home as is, and I get a speed of around 40 Mbps.

Edit: That's 4.0, not 40. Pff, I wish...

4Mbps.. or 40Mbps.. not the issue.. maybe if you were on 1 or 2Mbps.. maybe.. then you might not be able to keep up with the amount of data being sent and received.. but 4Mbps should be more than adequate.. it all comes back to how long it takes for a packet to go from you to the server (a keystroke for example), be acknowledged by the server and a packet sent back to your computer.. the ping is the amount of time it takes to get there and back.. otehrwise called the "round-trip delay" time (RTT).

[Ettibber]

Big Gar, on 10 August 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

If your comp. is very capable of handling this game, but your internet connection is lacking,(even though it is the fastest available), how can you overcome this obstacle?

stop launching wars of aggression against peaceful nations and forcing comstar to punish you.

seriously the only thing to do is get a better connection. so you know...move.

[Grimjester]

Mechpriest, on 10 August 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

By moving out from a third world country?

lol, you realize about 40% of the US doesn't have access to high speed internet. I fear comments like this typically come from my country.

[Grimjester]

Run on some low bandwidths (as in cell connections 3G/4G) and most current MMOs will run on those connections depending on how they are coded. Higher bandwidth the better if you have access. Have also seen games have adverse affects when I was runnin a FIOS connection in the past, which makes it fun to test both types of connections. Dropping you a PM.