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[Burned_Follower]

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103960

Hey all When it comes to building my MWO PC, i'm slowly purchasing one coponent at a time. After doing a lot of online research and asking questions around on forums i've decided on the specific CPU chip for my MWO gaming PC i'm building. I know that this chip may be a bit overkill but i'm going to get it anyway.

I got my budget planned out so that i'll be purchasing this specific chip on the 2nd of March. But before i make the purchase i wanted to post this here just for the slim chance somebody knows where i can get a better deal for this chip. So far the cheapest i found this chip is for 269.99 on newegg.

Anybody know where i can get this exact same chip for a cheaper price? Just wanted to ask around on forums(and techs i know in person) before making the purchase.

Also, since this is my first time building a PC, when it comes time for me to purchase a motherboard, how can i tell if the motherboard is compatable with the chip before i buy it? Thx in advance for any helpful info.


oh, and i know already that there will be a list of questions asked about the PC i'm building so before you do i typed out the common questions asked in a thread like this with my answers just incase you need them before posting a reply:

1. What is my budget? Answer: 3k
2. What monitor will I be using? Answer: a 42'' HD LCD Monitor, using a 1080p rezolution
3. Water or air cooling? Answer: Air cooling
4. Do i plan to overclock? Answer: NO. I do plan on exploring that in the future but just not right now
5. What will i be using this for? Answer: Playing MWO on maxed out graphics, using DX11 on a 1080p rez while at the same time recording my gameplay using Fraps in the background and possibly teamspeak in the background and/or itunes in the background as well. I'll have a separate laptop that i'll use for anything other than MWO. The ONLY TIME i'll be using this gaming pc is for MWO(this is because i'll be building a home made tesla pod and the gaming PC will be a part of the pod. I won't be cranking up my tesla pod just to check my facebook status...i already got a cheaper PC for that that i'll be replacing with a cheap walmart laptop some day)

[Kaemon]

XxDRxDEATHxX, on 03 February 2012 - 09:51 AM, said:

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103960

Hey all When it comes to building my MWO PC, i'm slowly purchasing one coponent at a time. After doing a lot of online research and asking questions around on forums i've decided on the specific CPU chip for my MWO gaming PC i'm building. I know that this chip may be a bit overkill but i'm going to get it anyway.

I got my budget planned out so that i'll be purchasing this specific chip on the 2nd of March. But before i make the purchase i wanted to post this here just for the slim chance somebody knows where i can get a better deal for this chip. So far the cheapest i found this chip is for 269.99 on newegg.

Anybody know where i can get this exact same chip for a cheaper price? Just wanted to ask around on forums(and techs i know in person) before making the purchase.

Also, since this is my first time building a PC, when it comes time for me to purchase a motherboard, how can i tell if the motherboard is compatable with the chip before i buy it? Thx in advance for any helpful info.


oh, and i know already that there will be a list of questions asked about the PC i'm building so before you do i typed out the common questions asked in a thread like this with my answers just incase you need them before posting a reply:

1. What is my budget? Answer: 3k
2. What monitor will I be using? Answer: a 42'' HD LCD Monitor, using a 1080p rezolution
3. Water or air cooling? Answer: Air cooling
4. Do i plan to overclock? Answer: NO. I do plan on exploring that in the future but just not right now
5. What will i be using this for? Answer: Playing MWO on maxed out graphics, using DX11 on a 1080p rez while at the same time recording my gameplay using Fraps in the background and possibly teamspeak in the background and/or itunes in the background as well. I'll have a separate laptop that i'll use for anything other than MWO. The ONLY TIME i'll be using this gaming pc is for MWO(this is because i'll be building a home made tesla pod and the gaming PC will be a part of the pod. I won't be cranking up my tesla pod just to check my facebook status...i already got a cheaper PC for that that i'll be replacing with a cheap walmart laptop some day)

ummm...your budget is 3K for a new computer? As in USD?

Do me a favor, have someone build it for you, pay them $500, and put the other 1500 back in your pocket.

You'll be happy.

Edited by Kaemon, 03 February 2012 - 09:57 AM.

[Burned_Follower]

A gaming PC that can do the things i want it to do that i mentioned? ....for 500 bucks? How's that possible? In a way i'm doing myself a favor because i really want to learn how to build a PC from scratch. If i get somebody else to do it i won't learn anything. I actually did that a few years ago and have a gaming PC that has finally outlived it's usefulness thus having the need to replace it. I wished i built the PC myself so that i won't have to learn it now. But seriously, how can i build a PC like the one i want to build for 500 bucks? (yes USD)

I won't be surprised though if i don't spend more than 2k building the PC. 3k is just my max budget.

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 03 February 2012 - 10:03 AM.

[Kaemon]

XxDRxDEATHxX, on 03 February 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

A gaming PC that can do the things i want it to do that i mentioned? ....for 500 bucks? How's that possible? In a way i'm doing myself a favor because i really want to learn how to build a PC from scratch. If i get somebody else to do it i won't learn anything. I actually did that a few years ago and have a gaming PC that has finally outlived it's usefulness thus having the need to replace it. I wished i built the PC myself so that i won't have to learn it now. But seriously, how can i build a PC like the one i want to build for 500 bucks? (yes USD)

your math is a bit off, you'd have 1000 spent on the new rig, you already have the monitor I take it (42" monitor ehhh...what's the response time on that bad boy?)

A phenom II will do what you're asking (CPU wise) it's the gfx card you'll have to watch, FRAPS above a certain resolution doesn't make much sense (since even a minute of video gets stupidly large in size and you can't post it anywhere).

Some of the home modders on here will give you specific items to buy, but really you should be good in the 1000-1500 dollar range if you're building it yourself (that's the beauty of DIY).

I built a 6 core 8 GB RAM (1600) AMD box with 3 23" monitor eyefinity setup with a 7000 AMD gfx card for 2k (that's accounting for about $600 worth of monitors) and I had about $100 worth of HOTAS crap in there as well).

The secret to home building is keep it cheap, save your pennies for upgrades down the road (cause nothing is future proof right now).

IMO.

Edited by Kaemon, 03 February 2012 - 10:12 AM.

[Fiachdubh]

I think he meant spend $1000 on the components and pay someone another $500 to build it.

Would love to have a system with that chip at its core.

[Burned_Follower]

Wait, so you're saying that i can get what i need by purchasing this specific chip instead?

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103995

[Vincent Vascaul]

What you should do is first ask if you want to go AMD or Intel (Please can we not have 10 posts about which is better since either will do what he wants) Honestly if there was any chip I could go with right now barring the Intel extremes I would go with the new Intel x79 Quad Core Coming out you get the best future proofed (in my opinion) setup possible. I have to go for the moment (gotta sell my alienware laptop) but I will post more info later.

[Burned_Follower]

Vincent Vascaul, on 03 February 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

What you should do is first ask if you want to go AMD or Intel (Please can we not have 10 posts about which is better since either will do what he wants) Honestly if there was any chip I could go with right now barring the Intel extremes I would go with the new Intel x79 Quad Core Coming out you get the best future proofed (in my opinion) setup possible. I have to go for the moment (gotta sell my alienware laptop) but I will post more info later.

I'm going with AMD because from what i've learned, i can get same the performance i "need" with AMD than i would with Intel while spending less money. I don't need a PC that will take over the world, just the innersphere, haha. But seriously, i'm going with AMD. I'm not worried about future proof. I spend loads of money on my current gaming PC so that i can play the latest games...and i did. I currently play the CE of Skyrim but i always find myself going back to MW4, lol. All i need is MWO and i'm completly satisfied when it comes to playing with video games. I got ten years of playing MW4 that has taught me that a good solid MW game is all that i need...and all that i have time for since i'm an adult now with a job and college i'm starting in the fall.

Edited by XxDRxDEATHxX, 03 February 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Something to consider, being only 1080p, and running this will do what you need, although you could upgrade to that 8150p if you would like, and it gives you an upgrade path to Valencia when it comes out later this year with the piledriver 8 cores. ;
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Total Cost: $1974.73
Upgrading the CPU will add about $150 to that. And given what you are wanting to do, either should allow you to play this game at max setting, HOWEVER given if you want it to last the ten years, I highly recommend the FX-8150p as it has some newer instruction sets available to it, and it can process twice as many threads.

Also; pricing:
AMD Fx-8150p
http://www.google.co...ved=0CE8Q8wIwAA
AMD Phenom II X4 960t
http://www.google.co...ved=0CG8Q8wIwAA

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 03 February 2012 - 02:42 PM.

[HeroicTofu]

Until we get minimum requirements for MWO, it's hard to perfectly recommend what kind of processor, video card, etc, you would need in order to run it at 'max settings'.

Based on current chip architectures in this generation, I'm going to say point goes to Intel at this time. I heartily recommend the Intel i5-2500K processor: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072. It has an incredible track record and I wouldn't recommend it without some information to back it up: http://www.anandtech...fx8150-tested/8. Yes, this is a review made by AnandTech for the AMD FX-8150, but as you can see in the benchmarks, the Intel processors win out in every single gaming benchmark. Since gaming is the only purpose of your PC and the fact that the i5-2500K is cheaper then the FX-8150, I can only recommend this processor for gaming.

I would like to state that I do love AMD and have no bias towards them. When I built my current computer 2 years ago, after weighing the performance benefits of both AMD and Intel and the value of each, I ended up with a very nice AMD Athlon X4-630 processor as the winner for best bang for the buck. This was before the Juggernaut that is Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture was a thing.

[Vulpesveritas]

HeroicTofu, on 03 February 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

Until we get minimum requirements for MWO, it's hard to perfectly recommend what kind of processor, video card, etc, you would need in order to run it at 'max settings'.

Based on current chip architectures in this generation, I'm going to say point goes to Intel at this time. I heartily recommend the Intel i5-2500K processor: http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819115072. It has an incredible track record and I wouldn't recommend it without some information to back it up: http://www.anandtech...fx8150-tested/8. Yes, this is a review made by AnandTech for the AMD FX-8150, but as you can see in the benchmarks, the Intel processors win out in every single gaming benchmark. Since gaming is the only purpose of your PC and the fact that the i5-2500K is cheaper then the FX-8150, I can only recommend this processor for gaming.

I would like to state that I do love AMD and have no bias towards them. When I built my current computer 2 years ago, after weighing the performance benefits of both AMD and Intel and the value of each, I ended up with a very nice AMD Athlon X4-630 processor as the winner for best bang for the buck. This was before the Juggernaut that is Intel's Sandy Bridge architecture was a thing.

Only problem with that is he has already stated that he may keep his computer for TEN YEARS. now, think of what we have here, Today, if we look back just 5 years or so when we were debating whether a dual core was worth it vs a single core, now without a dual core at minimum you're more or less screwed. Applications continue to become more and more threaded, and likely in that amount of time the FX-8150p will do better, as benches utilizing all 8 cores do perform better. Also, you get at least two years of upgrades on an AM3+ board. You'll only get 1 year of an upgrade on LGA1155 with Ivy Bridge.
So there is that.

[HeroicTofu]

Vulpesveritas, on 03 February 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

Only problem with that is he has already stated that he may keep his computer for TEN YEARS. now, think of what we have here, Today, if we look back just 5 years or so when we were debating whether a dual core was worth it vs a single core, now without a dual core at minimum you're more or less screwed. Applications continue to become more and more threaded, and likely in that amount of time the FX-8150p will do better, as benches utilizing all 8 cores do perform better. Also, you get at least two years of upgrades on an AM3+ board. You'll only get 1 year of an upgrade on LGA1155 with Ivy Bridge.
So there is that.

He said he played MW4 for 10 years, but mentioned he doesn't mind upgrading But I know where you're going with the multiple processor cores. And absolutely, down the line, I think Bulldozer has a chance at winning out because of the amount of cores it's throwing out there, especially for the price.

This would be an easier conversation if we had real, honest-to-god specs for the game though. Death did mention he's building this with the focus of MWO in mind and if we knew how the game scaled to cores, that'd make this an easier call. If MWO can take advantage of 8 cores, then I would recommend Bulldozer in a heartbeat to the i5-2500K, no doubt.

Oh well, just my 2 cents for the time being! Once I see some real specs for this sure to be amazing game, I'll have more constructive input

[Vulpesveritas]

HeroicTofu, on 03 February 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

He said he played MW4 for 10 years, but mentioned he doesn't mind upgrading But I know where you're going with the multiple processor cores. And absolutely, down the line, I think Bulldozer has a chance at winning out because of the amount of cores it's throwing out there, especially for the price.

This would be an easier conversation if we had real, honest-to-god specs for the game though. Death did mention he's building this with the focus of MWO in mind and if we knew how the game scaled to cores, that'd make this an easier call. If MWO can take advantage of 8 cores, then I would recommend Bulldozer in a heartbeat to the i5-2500K, no doubt.

Oh well, just my 2 cents for the time being! Once I see some real specs for this sure to be amazing game, I'll have more constructive input

http://www.pcgamesha...imization/News/
the engine can utilize 8 cores. Tra-la-la

well... not as well as I would hope, but between an i7-2600k and an Fx-8150p, there is only a +/- 5FPS difference. and let's not forget that nice shiny i7 utilized 8 threads with it being a quad core with hyperthreading. Oh and said i7 is $100 more.

[Barbaric Soul]

Look, we've already had the AMD vs Intel performance discussion Vulpes. You've admitted openly to being Biased and an AMD fanboy. I'm just going to put this out there for everyone to see.


http://www.techpower...70_CPU_Scaling/

Bulldozer is not stronger than Sandy Bridge. Please stop giving advise like it is. This will sum it up for people that don't feel like looking at the review I posted-



2500k gives a average of 21% percent better performance than the FX 8150

[Vulpesveritas]

Barbaric Soul, on 03 February 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

Look, we've already had the AMD vs Intel performance discussion Vulpes. You've admitted openly to being Biased and an AMD fanboy. I'm just going to put this out there for everyone to see.


http://www.techpower...70_CPU_Scaling/

Bulldozer is not stronger than Sandy Bridge. Please stop giving advise like it is. This will sum it up for people that don't feel like looking at the review I posted-



2500k gives a average of 21% percent better performance than the FX 8150

I was quoting the CryENGINE 3 performance, which MWO will run on. Also something to take into account the i5 only is a 4c/4t processor, whereas the FX-8150p is a 4m/8t and therefore -should- offer better performance than an i5 despite that 21% IPC deficiency, as it is able to be fully utilized by the game engine.


Is what we should be looking at. Oh look, 3.5 FPS more, or a 7% difference in CPU performance on this engine. Given you get a longer upgrade path with an AM3+ socket motherboard, and Death has already stated he want's to go AMD... that should be it.

[Barbaric Soul]

Jesus dude, you just don't stop with the fanboyism do you? And where do you get your information about Intel's plans for thier Ivy Bridge line of CPUs? What make you think that there is only a one year of upgrade in that socket? What does that matter if AMD can't outperform Intel?

Ok, Dr Death wants a FX8150. That's his/her choice. But stop going around saying the FX8150 matches Sandy Bridge's performance. BTW, that review is putting AMD's top CPU against Intel's third best CPU(we can't forget about the 2600k and 2700k) for socket 1155, and not even mentioning Intel's six core Sandy Bridge E CPU line.

Oh, and since he said he'll be using a 1080p monitor, let's look at the right resolution that matters for the Crysis2 benchmark. You know, the one that show SB having 10fps better performance than BD-

Edited by Barbaric Soul, 03 February 2012 - 08:58 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Barbaric Soul, on 03 February 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Jesus dude, you just don't stop with the fanboyism do you? And where do you get your information about Intel's plans for thier Ivy Bridge line of CPUs? What make you think that there is only a one year of upgrade in that socket? What does that matter if AMD can't outperform Intel?

Ok, Dr Death wants a FX8150. That's his/her choice. But stop going around saying the FX8150 matches Sandy Bridge's performance. BTW, that review is putting AMD's top CPU against Intel's third best CPU(we can't forget about the 2600k and 2700k) for socket 1155, and not even mentioning Intel's six core Sandby Bridge E CPU line.

Oh, and since he said he'll be using a 1080p monitor, let's look at the right resolution that matters for the Crysis2 benchmark. You know, the one that show SB having 10fps better performance than BD-

See the issue with that is the resolution I posted is CLOSER to what he'll be playing at.
1920x1200: 2304000p
230400
1920x1080: 2073600p
341100
1650x1050: 1732500p

As far as the ivybridge upgrade path, is due to past experience, AMD almost always keeps it's sockets viable for years, whereas Intel doesn't. And AMD has already stated that AM3+ will be viable through 2013.

[Barbaric Soul]

you forget about 775 and how long that lasted. Me personally, I haven't heard of any plans from Intel about a new socket coming. Z77 is coming, but that will be socket 1155.

Oh, almost forgot one important fact about the 2500k and it's, as you put it, 3.5% performance increase over the FX 8150. The 2500k is $50 less expensive than the FX 8150. That means the 2500k is a better performer, albiet by just alittle bit, for $50 less money, which can go to a better GFX card, or to please your OCD, better cooling.

Edited by Barbaric Soul, 03 February 2012 - 09:13 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Barbaric Soul, on 03 February 2012 - 09:12 PM, said:

you forget about 775 and how long that lasted. Me personally, I haven't heard of any plans from Intel about a new socket coming. Z77 is coming, but that will be socket 1155.

Oh, almost forgot one important fact about the 2500k and it's, as you put it, 3.5% performance increase over the FX 8150. The 2500k is $50 less expensive than the FX 8150. That means the 2500k is a better performer, albiet by just alittle bit, for $50 less money, which can go to a better GFX card, or to please your OCD, better cooling.

All which are viable points. However, if I were to bet money, I would bet that Haswell won't be on 1155. but that's me. Anyhow we're offtopic as it is, and it is all speculation that AMD won't close the performance gap with piledriver/steamroller. As simply- we don't know. only the future will really say.

Also we're both off topic. Getting back in order now.

On topic- where can he get an FX-8150p at the lowest price? At the moment that I've found; $250 http://www.frys.com/...source=googleps

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 03 February 2012 - 09:16 PM.

[Barbaric Soul]

Microcenter instore has the best prices on CPUs if he has one close by