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[acealpha1027]

Sesambrot, on 26 August 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

You guys have nothing else to worry about?
the wordfilter on these forums is ******** (r e t a r d e d)! For example can anyone explain to me what "special" meaning the word **** (m e m o) hast to justify censoring it?

If I was to write: "**** you!" for some reason, what do you think people would think I said?

stop you! thats what i thought

Edited by acealpha1027, 27 August 2012 - 09:52 PM.

[Dream Seaker]

Canada is a very multicultural country. I'm studying politics and such here and we were asked to answer "how Canada can be so multicultural with such seeming ease, while the rest of the world struggles?" (granted we do have our problems we're not perfect I've never said that we were)

I came up with 2 interconnecting answers:

1. compromise: everyone can't have everything they want. there is always something that you want that will offend or bother someone else, so a middle ground is often best. this is helped by the second part.

2. indifference of source or culture and care: most Canadians (I'm generalizing i know, so everything I say next pertains to myself as well as most Canadians I have met and interacted with) just don't care that much if someone or something is different. we don't really care other than to slate a curiosity of where someone is from, their culture ect; we don't usually find stuff about others (races, religions and so on) to attack them with.A friend of mine came out and said he was ***, (O.o g a y is blocked out? haha i find that funny XP) i said "oh, ok." and moved on with my day. its that indifference that causes clear cool headed thinking.
the care comes with empathy. I think Canadians are very empathetic towards each other at least. just sitting here thinking about how having Jeehad could have effected PGI or any other company, were very sensitive people to take it the wrong way, just gives me a headache. with empathy comes a desire to not "disturb the peace", as it were. however people can't just take w.e from those who would be sensitive to these sorts of things, so this is where we try and implement part 1.

i do realize this theory of mine becomes a paradox which makes it better i think ;D

so hey, if someone is going to be offended, and if its not necessarily needed, why make a big deal about it? if they are, or will be offended, respect them, keep the peace and compromise. this is my lesson to humanity.

in my opinion, this thread is ignoring all the stated above...rules? theoretical rules. lack of empathy, causes a lack of indifference, which leads to a lack of compromise, which could lead to a conflict of some sort, but most probably disturbed the peace somewhere somehow...i realize i went backwards in my list, but it was much easier to say it that way.

go now and fly grasshoppers....its now almost 3 am. i apologize if things don't make sense or it offensive to someone (haha oh how ironic it would be XD).

Edited by Dream Seaker, 27 August 2012 - 11:00 PM.

[Flyingpants]

Dream Seaker, on 27 August 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Canada is a very multicultural country.

No it isn't.

Canada was a white country up until that communist Trudeau was elected. There is no such thing as "multi-culturalism" anyways, the chinese live in their communities and speak chinese, the arabs speak arabic, etc, and the white natives of canada have to pay for their welfare/schooling while our country is swamped by hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year.

You made a good point about compromise, we forfeit our cities, our sovereignty, our freedom, and our entire country in worship of this fantasy of "diversity" and "multi-culturalism".
Thats compromise in action.

It's LAUGHABLE that you can claim an EMOTIONAL RESPONSE like empathy causes clear headed thinking, its the OPPOSITE m8.
The desire not to disturb the peace isn't empathy its APATHY, a subtle difference.

If i walk around the neighborhood and see not a single white face and hear not a single voice in english, is that multiculturalism? no. it's an invasion.

[TaiSa Ugly 7th PR]

Flyingpants, on 28 August 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

No it isn't.

Canada was a white country up until that communist Trudeau was elected. There is no such thing as "multi-culturalism" anyways, the chinese live in their communities and speak chinese, the arabs speak arabic, etc, and the white natives of canada have to pay for their welfare/schooling while our country is swamped by hundreds of thousands of immigrants every year.

Coming from life in Toronto anyhow- I can say this is wholy untrue. I have spent more time genuinely engaged in the active CULTURE of others, in that city, than elsewhere in the world- including while traveling abroad. I can think of nowhere else I might have a Lebonese friend (named (avoiding censor) Jee-had, at birth- but goes by "Jay") explain the wealth of history accumulated over time in a city such a Beirut, while in the apartment of our Sri-Lankan host, who's cooking us his grandmother's recipe's while his Indian wife prays to a statue of some slick looking elephant surrounded by incense in another room, dedicated to her practice. I might have understood more about her religious beliefs had I been fortunate enough to share a language with her, but that's my misfortune- as 4 other people at that dinner were able to speak with her without issue, including a good Greek friend to all of us.

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You made a good point about compromise, we forfeit our cities, our sovereignty, our freedom, and our entire country in worship of this fantasy of "diversity" and "multi-culturalism".
Thats compromise in action.

I think you may have a small piece of a point here, but you're stuck in the belief that something old is somehow more 'right'- those things still exist, you're just basing your feelings on the same idea as comment posters who shout "First". Your chronology and geography of birth weren't controlled by you, maybe let some of the pride go.

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If i walk around the neighborhood and see not a single white face and hear not a single voice in english, is that multiculturalism? no. it's an invasion.

See above point- it's only that from your standpoint, from the standpoint of those living in that neighborhood, it's just their neughborhood. Maybe let go of some of your xenophobia, and recognize the world is comprised of humans, and the shade or location of them isn't anything they had any control over. Your attitude and reaction to them, however, is something you can control- your choice to view things in a constructive versus destructive nature might help you see that while 'equality' might be a naive construct, in as much as it's no good to start strapping weights onto the legs of naturally gifted dancers so somone overweight with one leg can feel more comfortable- I can't say I ever saw such extremes in my time in Canada. Being open isn't weakness, but certainly being so closed as to become brittle could be seen to be.

[TaiSa Ugly 7th PR]

Flyingpants, on 28 August 2012 - 04:26 PM, said:

It's LAUGHABLE that you can claim an EMOTIONAL RESPONSE like empathy causes clear headed thinking, its the OPPOSITE m8.
The desire not to disturb the peace isn't empathy its APATHY, a subtle difference.

It's only a 'subtle' difference in spelling, but it's a tremendous difference otherwise. In my experience, I've found one of the best ways to be understood, is to seek to understand those with whom I'm working. Empathy is the conscious understanding of anothers circumstance, and then feeling your understood/related similar emotion (differs from Sympathy here) it's putting yourself in someone elses' shoes. Working to have a better understanding of others has joys and rewards, not the least of which is the opportunity, often, to gain a better understanding of oneself.

Actually, mirriam webster says it better I think:


em·pa·thy
noun \ˈem-pə-thē\


Definition of EMPATHY

2: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner; also: the capacity for this


It's through such understanding you can come to recognize that no signal individual nor group, class, etc. is somehow inherently more priveledged or rightfully entitled than another. That we're all here, working through remarkably similar circumstance, as the 'lead role' in our own production of our lives... The earth revolves around the Sun, in a vast and sparcely populated space that exists in a 'something', that simply couldn't be 'nothing'- for you to have deemed yourself, your neighborhood, your 'past' as more important than anyone elses' is just a simple conceit. Recognizing this, and letting it, go, will probably lead to a profound delight and sensation of freedom...