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[littlejohn33]

Anyone using a Llano A8-3870? I'm thinking of gettnig some for my internet cafe and wondeing what kind of experience people have with them. Specificaly how well does it play MWO? But then I'm not sure if you can answere that.

[Dymitry]

Your best bet is to look for crysis 2 benchmarks, it has the engine that is used in MWO.

[GweNTLeR]

I use amd athlon 651k,which is exactly the same,exept the disabled video.Pretty powerful cpu(similar to 965 phenom II(my friend have one,and a similar config,so we had a chance to compare in real mmo games),possible to overclock up to 3.7(VERY HOT,need good cooler) using multiplyer only(in fact,fsb overclock works MUCH better).As for video-well,better get at least 7850.
btw not in beta.

[zudukai]

quadcore? double check. that will do nicely.

[littlejohn33]

I'm mostly wondering how well the bult in graphics work. Can you max the graphiics with one? Medium would be ok though. just wondering what they can do.

I'm sure the processor is fine. But it only makes sense to get these if the graphics will be good enough for a few years. I'm looking at them because they cost about the same as comparable graphics card so your basicly getting a free quad core.

[Catamount]

Trinity is shipping before too long, iirc; might as well wait for that.

Here's how Trinity compares to Llano on Crysis 2

http://www.tomshardw...er,3202-10.html


Note, of course, that these are integrated GPUs, so you're not going to get top-notch performance out of them. They're impressively fast for what they are, but at higher resolutions, you'll be looking at lower settings in more intensive games. Obviously, getting dedicated GPUs will be a better solution if the money is there; the point of Llano/Trinity is just to offer the best performance possible when that isn't in the budget.

Edited by Catamount, 31 August 2012 - 07:37 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

littlejohn33, on 31 August 2012 - 04:19 AM, said:

Anyone using a Llano A8-3870? I'm thinking of gettnig some for my internet cafe and wondeing what kind of experience people have with them. Specificaly how well does it play MWO? But then I'm not sure if you can answere that.

I honestly would have to recommend doing the following, as it won't cost much more vs a higher end APU, but would be better for gaming;
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819106002
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http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814127611

You're paying $30 more per PC (After MIR), however, you are getting sizeably larger frame rates in crossfire mode, and still higher frame rates just relying on the discrete card. Also, you can overclock the CPU up to or above the level of the 3870k.

Alternitively, you can grab an AM3 Athalon http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819103889 for $30 less than the 3870k off the bat, and purchase this; http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814102988 for only $20 more/ PC after MIR, and you'll have a still faster system, and an upgradable socket.

Lastly, you could wait a couple of months for FM2 and the A10 APUs, which will be much faster.

But, looking at it from the standpoint of it being an internet cafe;
-Most people are unlikely to be playing demanding titles like MWO
-Most people will be more interested in USB 3.0 than a fast CPU
-A small SSD is a better option for internet browsing computers.
-A graphics card at $120 is the Radeon HD 7770, which is capable of 28 fps on Crysis 2 maxed out at 1080p. The A8-3870k's integrated graphics struggle to reach 20fps at low. You can smoothly max out 900p on the 7770, and the 3870 is still at this resolution struggling with low. Only at 720p and below is the 3870k able to get anything remotely close to playable.

While I don't know the exact premise of your cafe, or whether you simply have a large gaming crowd, perhaps I could recommend two different types of PCs, for depending on what customers you have? That may be a better option.

Edited by Vulpesveritas, 31 August 2012 - 08:11 AM.

[littlejohn33]

I'm in the Philippines graphics cards are more expensive here and the Llanos are competitively priced. This is one of the best priclists around.

http://www.gaisano-i...e.com/price.pdf

The exchange rate is about 42 to 1

As you can see just about any video card is more expensive here, while the Llanos are comparable. By the Passmark scores the A8-3870 is 90% as good as a 6770 card and costs less so you get a free quad core 3GZ. Thats beside the fact that most of those video cards are Power color brand which I'm not that impressed with.

I just wonder if the 3D Passmark scores are realistic.

Edit: I'm getting to tired to think straight. Last customer just left so I'm going to bed.

I thoguht about getting SSD but they are just to expensive. For gaming computers you really need at least 180 gig. FOr surfing computers they just arent practical unless you make it a multistation. I was serriously considering making some multistation units but our bread and butter seems to be gamers. I do hope to some time in the future if we make more space somehow. I was looking at A6-3500 with 3 stations and 3 operating systems via VMware. Still want to but once I get better computers my pentium 4s will likely be mostly used for surfing. We have 10 of them.

Edited by littlejohn33, 31 August 2012 - 08:41 AM.

[Vulpesveritas]

littlejohn33, on 31 August 2012 - 08:31 AM, said:

I'm in the Philippines graphics cards are more expensive here and the Llanos are competitively priced. This is one of the best priclists around.

http://www.gaisano-i...e.com/price.pdf

The exchange rate is about 42 to 1

As you can see just about any video card is more expensive here, while the Llanos are comparable. By the Passmark scores the A8-3870 is 90% as good as a 6770 card and costs less so you get a free quad core 3GZ. Thats beside the fact that most of those video cards are Power color brand which I'm not that impressed with.

I just wonder if the 3D Passmark scores are realistic.

Edit: I'm getting to tired to think straight. Last customer just left so I'm going to bed.

I thoguht about getting SSD but they are just to expensive. For gaming computers you really need at least 180 gig. FOr surfing computers they just arent practical unless you make it a multistation. I was serriously considering making some multistation units but our bread and butter seems to be gamers. I do hope to some time in the future if we make more space somehow. I was looking at A6-3500 with 3 stations and 3 operating systems via VMware. Still want to but once I get better computers my pentium 4s will likely be mostly used for surfing. We have 10 of them.

Eeek your prices are horribly different than the USA. Umm...
Well my best recommendation for you is that the AMD A-series look to be decent chips for your systems, and are definitely more than enough for a surfing PC, but the graphics that they run are not what are considered to be "gaming quality" And unfortunately, while the passmark scores are good, real life gaming performance is not on the level of a 6570 graphics wise, let alone a 6770, which is two tiers higher for performance.

[littlejohn33]

Not sure what to do now. That was the only option I could see for getting them cheap enough for my internet cafe. Trinity sounds like a more viable option but I bet it will be January before they are reasonably priced.

[Dymitry]

What monitors will you use? size/resolution.

[littlejohn33]

Looking at 19 inch 1360x768 resolution LED. Anything bigger cost to much and I dont like the 15 inch ones. What I have now are 17 inch 1280x1080 but thier LCD.

Edited by littlejohn33, 02 September 2012 - 05:14 PM.