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[Poine]

anyone know of saitek's x65f as far as reliability build quality is concerned or would you recomend x65f or thrustmaster warthog if you could afford either?

oops just realised i put this in wrong place should of put it under hardware discussion sorry moderators *face palms*

well i made my choice based on price mostly got a x65f used off of amazon from their open box werehouse with a 2 year squaretrade warranty for $275 total shipped nextday (prime member) heres a pic of setup if it will load

http://www.flickr.co...N07/7552481652/

http://www.flickr.co...N07/7552478830/

Edited by Poine, 11 July 2012 - 02:33 PM.

[Fire for Effect]

I always recommend thrustmaster products my f16 fighterstick has survived about a decade.

currently I use a Flightstick X no idea is it will be good for MWO for elite it is...

[autogyro]

I've got a Thrustmaster Warthog.

Honestly not sure if either controller will be good for MWO. Judging by the videos and from reading up it seems to just play too fast for the precision required of either the X65 or the Warthog. You need a controller that you can just throw around (metaphorically speaking in the case of the X65F).

It'd be like playing Burnout or Trackmania with a steering wheel.

[Fastred]

The old Sidewinder II was perfect for previous mech games sadly the micro switches were cheap so my last functioning Sidewinder II is getting benched for a Logitech 3D Pro. Guess I will know how well it works for MWO when I get to play it.

Edited by Fastred, 05 July 2012 - 04:59 AM.

[UnexpectedDmg]

I am going with the X52 pro and will hope for the best once I actually get a chance to try it with MWO (no beta invite yet..sniff sniff)

[Celldoor]

waiting here also to see what joystick set up works. I wonder what part of NDA covers what joystick setup is operational with MWO.

[CL_Kodiak]

UnexpectedDmg, on 05 July 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

I am going with the X52 pro and will hope for the best once I actually get a chance to try it with MWO (no beta invite yet..sniff sniff)

Careful with the X52 and X52 pro - I dont think they have twist on the throttle anymore! If you aren't using pedals - make sure you are ok twisting on the joystick.

That reason alone is why I am not going with the X56 X52 or the TM Hotas.

thrustmaster does make another stick though with a rudder on the throttle for twisting - I will most likely go with that. I don't mind twisting on a joystick, but I loved being able to just aim with the joystick and twisting my torso using the throttle rudder. I felt like I had much more accurate aim. Firing, twisitng and aiming all on one stick seemed crowded.

[UnexpectedDmg]

I actually prefer the twist on the joystick rather than the throttle...
and have not been a fan of pedals as I like having aiming, firing, and twisting all on one stick ;-)

but that is another of those aspects where..you really need to play a mech game and decide what basic functions you need, before you work out how many hat/buttons/switches you will actually use on the controllers hehe

[Project_Mercy]

The X65 is annoying to use if you're used to joysticks. It's of OK quality (good for Saitek). Mine hasn't broken yet, but I haven't used it much. If you don't have a way to bolt it down, it's even more annoying, because you need to keep the pressure sensor up high enough that arm sway doesn't throw it off. Also, you can't really rest your arm on it, as it will construe that as motion. Over long periods of time, the stick is exhausting. It's one plus is, if you get used to it, it's very accurate. I've never found that to be worth the other negatives.

The Warthog is awesome, but I didn't find the controls to be conducive to fantasy/arcade games. It uses a lot of toggle switches. These style of games uses a lot of momentary switches without state. So, you end up with most of the throttle being useless as a control surface, beyond the throttle.

The X52 and Pro still has a twist rudder (aka torso twist). It has a little lock on the bottom of it to physically stop it from doing it, but if you push it back in it will still rotate. It also has a tendency to break a lot. I have a love-hate relationship with the x52 pro. I go through one every year or so, but I love it when it works.

If you want a HOTAS that's not super expensive, and works with ANYTHING and will last forever, then you want a CH Fighterstick and CH Throttle. I personally prefer the feel of the X52pro, but everytime mine breaks and I'm stuck with nothing, I usually use the CH stuff over the x65f .

Edit: I own all of the above but the Warthog, which I borrowed for a few months from a friend who was going out of town for a while. In fact, I've owned maybe 5 or 6 x52Pros at this point.

Edited by Wraeththix Constantine, 05 July 2012 - 07:52 AM.

[Steven McWayne]

But you can program the buttons to be a button and not a switch
on a Warthog. Had x52 before and used it for 4 Years but the Warthog owns them all.

[Elkarlo]

Fire for Effect, on 05 July 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

I always recommend thrustmaster products my f16 fighterstick has survived about a decade.

currently I use a Flightstick X no idea is it will be good for MWO for elite it is...

I just reactivated my old X36T Hotas Gameport combination... and it's still operational ( okey no programming on buttons but will only use throttle and Pedals i got to them)

Personally i think Pedals are more important than a Joystick as mouse aiming is more accurate, watch out not to get cheap 8bit ones, and Pedals reduces workload of your left hand a great part.

Edited by Elkarlo, 05 July 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[Necrodemus]

I have a CH Fighterstick, Pro Throttle and Pro Pedals en route. Everything I've seen indicates they're one of the more accurate sets, on par with the Warthog. They should last me a couple decades or so.

Edited by Necrodemus, 05 July 2012 - 08:08 AM.

[Inmora]

$400+ for the TM Warthog. -whistles low- would love one but..... to rich for my blood. lol

HEHEH $400+ in extra Cbills. Hello shiney!!!

Edited by Inmora, 05 July 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[Joey]

Kodiak Steiner, on 05 July 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

Careful with the X52 and X52 pro - I dont think they have twist on the throttle anymore! If you aren't using pedals - make sure you are ok twisting on the joystick.

That reason alone is why I am not going with the X56 X52 or the TM Hotas.

thrustmaster does make another stick though with a rudder on the throttle for twisting - I will most likely go with that. I don't mind twisting on a joystick, but I loved being able to just aim with the joystick and twisting my torso using the throttle rudder. I felt like I had much more accurate aim. Firing, twisitng and aiming all on one stick seemed crowded.

Both the Saitek X52 and X52 Pro DO have the rudder-twist. I have owned a X52 and currently own the x52 Pro.

[Durahl]

I'd say it pretty much depends on your preferences on how you plan to play the game.

The Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog does NOT have a Z-Axis built into it so for games like Mechwarrior Online or Simulations like DCS: Ka-50 Black Shark you're pretty much required to also get some Rudder Pedals.
There's also the difference in handling because it's still a "traditional" Joystick that actually has to be moved to get the desired reaction - That movement could be something you like or don't.

The Saitek X-65F Combat Control System DOES have a Z-Axis built into the Stick which gives you the option to use it without Rudder Pedals unless you want them where it then offers the option to have it disabled.
The Hightlight would be the Force Sensing feature of the Stick which is kinda new and maybe not everyones taste - I for one REALLY like it as I believe to gained a lot more precision with it.