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[GalaxyBluestar]

Darth Futuza, on 30 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

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[Hayashi]

If lights were fast, manoeuvrable, and had a small hitbox but carried few weapons
Mediums were somewhat slower, as manoeuvrable as lights, have a larger hitbox but carry more weapons
Heavies are slower, much harder to turn, have an even larger hitbox and carry even more weapons
While assaults are basically giant crawling turrets...

Then:

Mediums will outgun lights while still being able to hit them all the time, so medium > lights
Heavies will outgun mediums while still being able to hit the mediums because the mediums are slower, so heavies > mediums
Assaults will outgun heavies while being able to hit them of course, so assaults > heavies
And lights can't compare with assaults' firepower but can remain in their blindspot forever, so lights > assaults

While it takes some skill for a medium to stay in an assault's blindspot
Takes some skill for a light to stay in a heavy's blindspot
Takes some skill for an assault to hit a medium trying to run circles around it
And takes some skill for a heavy trying to hit a light trying to run circles around it

At the moment because mediums are too sluggish,

1. Lights can stay in their blindspot half the time, so lights > mediums
2. They can't turn well enough to stay in an assault's blindspot while still firing, so assaults smash mediums' face into the ground
= Every thing > mediums
Therefore, few people pilot mediums (except the Zombiewang, but that's because the 1/4 damage to its central torso because of its hitbox arrangement gives the Zombiewang greater effective survivability than a Stalker).

And while the cicada can reach the speeds lights can, it cannot turn half as well, making a cicada an easy target for any Jenner or even Locust pilot to kill with impunity in a 1v1.

[Cactus In The Rear]

[Hayashi]

I get the same reaction from the Guild Wars 2 forums as well for class balance there, but I'm one of the few that mastered all 8 classes. Of course, I get necros saying my comments on thieves are inaccurate, and I get thieves saying my comments on necros are inaccurate. But basically it's like trying to broker a deal between feminists and chavunists - everyone shoots you from opposite directions on the same issues.

My source on there being not enough mediums is simple to replicate... just drop on 50 matches, record the number of mechs per weight class in both teams, and tally the results. If the results are different, maybe it's a timezone effect - but I'm guessing that the results should be very similar. of course, 6 v 3000 is a complete exaggeration, but medium mech pilots are quite rare.

Edited by Hayashi, 01 May 2014 - 04:13 AM.

[Noesis]

[James DeGriz]

Hayashi, on 30 April 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

*STUFF*

[Hayashi]

Sorry.

[James DeGriz]

[GalaxyBluestar]

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Hayashi, on 30 April 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

Spoiler

If lights were fast, manoeuvrable, and had a small hitbox but carried few weapons
Mediums were somewhat slower, as manoeuvrable as lights, have a larger hitbox but carry more weapons
Heavies are slower, much harder to turn, have an even larger hitbox and carry even more weapons
While assaults are basically giant crawling turrets...

Then:

Mediums will outgun lights while still being able to hit them all the time, so medium > lights
Heavies will outgun mediums while still being able to hit the mediums because the mediums are slower, so heavies > mediums
Assaults will outgun heavies while being able to hit them of course, so assaults > heavies
And lights can't compare with assaults' firepower but can remain in their blindspot forever, so lights > assaults

While it takes some skill for a medium to stay in an assault's blindspot
Takes some skill for a light to stay in a heavy's blindspot
Takes some skill for an assault to hit a medium trying to run circles around it
And takes some skill for a heavy trying to hit a light trying to run circles around it

At the moment because mediums are too sluggish,

1. Lights can stay in their blindspot half the time, so lights > mediums
2. They can't turn well enough to stay in an assault's blindspot while still firing, so assaults smash mediums' face into the ground
= Every thing > mediums
Therefore, few people pilot mediums (except the Zombiewang, but that's because the 1/4 damage to its central torso because of its hitbox arrangement gives the Zombiewang greater effective survivability than a Stalker).

And while the cicada can reach the speeds lights can, it cannot turn half as well, making a cicada an easy target for any Jenner or even Locust pilot to kill with impunity in a 1v1.

I rather liked hayashi's spiel. makes sense and makes 3/3/3/3 solution even more funny than it started as. make MM take on all the work for lack of balance, tutes, rolewarfare skill tree etc etc.

Edited by GalaxyBluestar, 01 May 2014 - 04:12 AM.

[Hayashi]

James DeGriz, on 01 May 2014 - 03:45 AM, said:

Good idea.

[Cactus In The Rear]

Hayashi, on 01 May 2014 - 04:18 AM, said:

Good idea.

Edited by Xanilos, 01 May 2014 - 05:06 AM.

[Bagheera]

Hayashi, on 30 April 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

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[Opus]

Noesis, on 01 May 2014 - 06:44 AM, said:

[James DeGriz]

[Opus]

Lindonius, on 30 April 2014 - 08:10 PM, said:

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Edited by Nikolai Lubkiewicz, 01 May 2014 - 02:45 PM.
Keep it Classy, Not Personal.

[Cactus In The Rear]

A lancemate said this earlier.

[Mcgral18]

Xanilos, on 01 May 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

A lancemate said this earlier.

[Cactus In The Rear]

[Hayashi]

Xanilos, on 01 May 2014 - 02:39 PM, said:

A lancemate said this earlier.