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[Appogee]

I am thinking of trying to Elite a light as my next personal MWO challenge.

The new Champion Jenner, with its +10% experience accelerator, seems like a reasonable place to start...?

I've not tried any ECM Mechs though, so the ECM Raven is also attractive.

What do you guys think?

[Ph30nix]

honestly if you want to try the jenner do yourself a favor,

buy the JR7-F with c-bills which is the base model for the champ version, copy the loadout used the saved Cbills to buy premium time.

by the time the premium time is gone you can have the C-bills and XP to have 3 variants of the jenner mastered.

the 10% xp boost IS NOT WORTH IT to pay MC for. Ive already calculated that if you spend the same ammount of MC on premium time (even at 1 day at a time) and make sure you play for at least a few hours every day of that premium time, it would take almost 6 months to a year to get the same benefit. thats without including the fact your getting the bonus FOR ALL MECHS and a cbill bonus to boot.

also you sound like you have other mechs, just take the equipment you need for the JR7-F from them until you can buy extras for it. or do what i do just use parts from other mechs you arent playing currently, get all 3 of the varients first (using shared parts from other mechs i usualy try to keep at least 2 ready to go at any time so while one is in game im in another) then while leveling them save up for the parts to equip those mechs permanently or for your next set of mechs.

again if you play a moderate ammount the Premium time will give you alot more bang for your buck then a champ.

also, the Raven is ONLY so good because of ECM and because of how streaks work. With the bap changes they will now have ALOT more potential predators frankly the JR7-D will probably start ot eat them alive now.

also the Commando variants will probably bea good threat to them as well, because they either have more missle slots or even better they have arms that actually go left an right for their beam weapons.

im partial to commandos for the lights, but i did enjoy using the jenner trail they have. So dont let ECM be your deciding factor. Not i have a 3l that i havnt touched since i got commandos.

Edited by Ph30nix, 22 May 2013 - 03:26 AM.

[Appogee]

Fantastic advice - thanks very much for taking the time to write it up for me.

[DarkDevilDancer]

I've just recently mastered my jenner D with no issues and don't think the bonus is worth it in terms of MC, and with the BAP changes 3L ravens will no longer be immune to your streaks greatly evening the field.

Much like the champion Dragon it's not something I'd spend money on.

[buttmonkey]

its just a rip off of the founders jenner

[NRP]

I'm considering the champion Jenner too, mainly for the XP bonus. I've used Premium Time and agree it's a great way to level mechs, but I find I can't always play frequently enough to take full advantage of it. Therefore, I feel like I waste a lot of the PT.

Not being familiar with Lights, I want to know if the chassis is good. It only has energy hard points, but it seems like missile + energy hard points would be better on a light. What say you?

[1453 R]

For anyone who doesn't have a 300XL yet, or folks with more money than time, the champion Jenner is a pretty solid purchase.

For fifteen bucks real cash, you get an extremely valuable XL engine in a top-tier Jenner variant (yes, the F is awesome) with all necessary upgrades already installed in it, as well as nearly half of your MC left over for chunks of premium time as well. The champions are the only 'Mechs I really consider reasonably priced in terms of MC, given that they really, honestly save you time and effort which would otherwise have been sunk into upgrades.

I picked one up with MC I saved out of the chunk I bought a couple sales ago and have not regretted it. The machine is competitive without any modifications at all, and not having to blow seven million C-bills to make your slightly-under-three million C-bill 'Mech perform up to snuff leaves you time to actually enjoy the 'Mech at its height.

As well as, y'know, saving you seven million C-bills you'll need for two more Jenners. Who will each only cost two million over the 'Mech's price because you'll already have the 300XL you need for them. Seven million C-bills is both extra Jenners, as well as most of the upgrades for your favorite of the two spares.

If you're serious about Jenners, and don't have a 300XL from something else, then I very much recommend grabbing the JR7-F(C). If you do already have a 300XL, then the value of the 'Mech decreases significantly, but I'd still consider it a worthwhile investment. I bought one simply because my first 300XL engine was a dirty, dirty girlie who slept around with all my 'Mechs, and having a second one to share between the six or so configurations I've got that use that engine lets me stay more flexible.

And because I found that the thing was a lot of fun to pilot. Really, isn't that the important part?

[Ph30nix]

i still feel getting the champ for the XP bonus is NOT worth it and i dont feel its worth it just for the engine either. Id rather save up and buy a mech with C-bills that comes with the engine i need stock (since the engine is the bulk of the price of most mechs) making sure of course its one i plan to level eventualy if not the next one. Take the engine out of that and use in the (in this case) jenner)

also figure average of 500 xp a match (some probably get more and im sure some get less 500 is safe) you need about 50kxp to master a mech and like 35k i think to get doubles.

So you will need to play at least 70 matches (probably more like 50 if you get some good games in) to get enough exp in a varient to get to doubles (which is what most people aim for then work on master level thru normal play)
so then figure safe avg of 100,000 c-bills per win each varient you play you will earn
5,000,000 to 7,000,000 and of course
35,000ish XP
in the champ versin you will get an extra 3,500
and GXP (its 5% of normal xp right) you get
1750 normal
and about 150-250 extra from the champ.

now if you can dedicate ONE full day to play the game (by full day im talking 3-5 hours but on a saturday i have jack to do i can and have played 8+ hours im sure others have too)
figure avg game is 10 minutes (some alot less others more) so that 30-50 games a day
one day of premium is 250 mc for $7 you can get 5 days premium time that way (which if you have limited time to play is the best way to do it) if you schedule the time right you can techinacly get 2 days worth out of it, play afternoon the first day then early morning the second)
so we will assume you have the time and can do your 70 games under premium time (which since its done during premium time your averages go to 750 xp and 150k cbills but we will stick with 50-70 games played)

c-bills earned
7,500,000 to 10,500,000
37500 to 52500 xp
1875-2625 gxp

so we will go with the high avg (ive personally had games during premium time where i hit 250k in a normal mech and over 300k in a hero) to the games spent to level 3 varients (jenners) would earn you about
31,500,000 million cbills
157500 xp (between 3 mechs)
7875 GXP

thats enough to buy all 3 jenners get them all max engine, and all upgrades they need. and still have a chunk left over. also if you did this in 3 days of premium you still have the MC left over for 2 more days.

so again to me, MC better spend on premium time when it comes to founders.

[General Taskeen]

A 6ML Jenner is better and a true champ. It crucifies the "champion" jenner.

Edited by General Taskeen, 23 May 2013 - 06:59 AM.

[NRP]

Can't the Champ also equip 6 MLs?