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[Kodan Black]

Dervish.

[Grithis]

The Dervish and Kintaro are both decent designs. I'd be happy with either. We have enough slow mediums!

[tyrone dunkirk]

Garth Erlam, on 05 March 2012 - 10:19 AM, said:

I'd love to see what Alex could do with the Hoplite.

I think he already tried that out once. If I'm not mistaken he has one on his Deviantart scrapbook page.
Sorry if someone's already pointed this out

ScrewCityChris, on 05 March 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Am I the only one who saw this in the original TRO and thought ' someone catch it quick, it's about to fall backwards'?

[Victor Morson]

Nothing against the Hoplite but it's no contest, the Dervish is the one to have of this list. I see the poll is overwhelmingly feeling the same way, too.

EDIT: Damn, the list of IS 55 tonners is slim pickings! The majority of the favorites like the Shadow Hawk are unseens while the others aren't available in 3049 like Bushwacker. I was thinking there'd be a better choice available, but really, Dervish is about the best pick you can get all things considered. About the only other choice that would have been neat was a Scorpion, for Quad novelity.

Edited by Victor Morson, 05 March 2012 - 12:57 PM.

[GrimJim]

CapperDeluxe, on 05 March 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I like the Dervish, but seeing as it was already winning I voted the Kintaro since its also a neat looking design.

If by "neat" you mean a hockey goalie in a ballerina tutu.

[Azantia]

For all the mechwarriors out there who keep touting the Shadow Hawk, Wolverine and Griffin.

I love you all.

From the mess of the three, I would have to go with the Dervish.

If i was given a 4th "other choice", or could make my own list it would include, Shadow Hawk, Wolverine, Griffin and Gladiator, in that order.

Shadow Hawk is "Reseen" as is the Wolverine.

[Colorfinger]

The Griffin or WVR-6m would have been my choice but given the selection, you almost have to go with the Dervish. The hoplite would be my second choice but the Kintaro is just a mech refitted to be like the dervish but not as good as it.

Edited by Colorfinger, 05 March 2012 - 01:14 PM.

[goon]

Hoplite, anything with an LB-X gets an automatic backing from me and since the other mechs don't have one the winner is clear.

[Morashtak]

Dervish - speed and JJs. The -7D variant would be preferred, of course.

[osito]

The medium weight class needs some speed so out of those 3 mundane designs i would say dervish. I would prefer wolverine, s-hawk, or even griffin though. The dervish and kintaro are okay in my book, although if we get kintaro i want the narc version.

[Major Tom]

Lets see:
Kintaro - carries a lot of up close firepower, fast, and well armored, but limited heat sinks. Additionally the purported 'double reticle' seems like it would cause problems for a mech with similar weapons spread across its arms and torso, especially missiles which may have a lock time.
- Roles: this mech seems at home in the scout or assault/defend role, where its fast movement, heavy armor, and powerful close range weapons can make it a sustained threat the entire battle.
- Comparables: Relatively unique short range missile boat, it probably compares best hunchback in weight and function, although its damage delivery model and speed place it closer to a Commando or Javelin.

Hoplite - reminds me of my beloved Griffin (weapon-wise) but wearing Thunderbolt pants (armor). On the other hand it is ugly and slow. I can live with ugly, but slow may be a problem for a mech lacking close range weaponry.
- Roles: moderate movement, heavy armor, and long ranged weapons lend themselves to Command or possibly assault role.
- Comparables: very very similar to the Centurion.

Dervish - I've always like the looks and concept of this mech, although it spreads its self a little thin. A jack of all trades and master of none. This is also a mech that can take full advantage of the 'double reticle' if implemented, having fast-tracking arm mounted weapons for close range, and torso mounted LRMs for ranged combat.
- Roles: the speed and versatility of this mech make it a good candidate for scout or command, but its unfocused array of weapons may make it an unlikely option for assault/defend roles.
- Comparables: a medium version of the catapult and potentially similar to Whitworth, Trebuchet, or 2 assassins (if they are released)

This was a very tough decisions for me (hence the lengthy process above), but I have to with:
Dervish (and a close second to Kintaro). The dervish is just a coole design and I'd love to see the FD version.

Edited by Major Tom, 05 March 2012 - 02:07 PM.

[Outlaw2]

Dervish

Kintaro second

Hoplite is a WD only mech for this time period.

[trycksh0t]

Lightfoot, on 05 March 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

Bushwacker. The three suggested look odd (Hoplite) or nearly identical to the Commando and Centurion. You guys decide.

When you get to heavy 'mechs consider this one. http://www.sarna.net...es_(BattleMech) Looks solid and I've never seen the Hercules in a MechWarrior game.

The Bushwacker didn't appear until 3053, the Hercules in 3054. Be a couple of years before we'd get to see those, the current polls are for chassis we could have in 3049.

Back on topic, Dervish. While I'd love to see FD play with a Hoplite (and boy does the Hoplite need it), I never liked it. Lose the LB-10X and you're humped. It also doesn't carry nearly enough ammo to remain combat effective, a mere 2 tons of AC and a single ton for the LRMs. The ONLY saving grace is 11.5 tons of armor...which is impressive. The Kintaro, while not a favorite of mine, is respectable. Good speed for a 55 tonner, nice mix of weapons, decent protection. My only gripe with it is if the left arm is taken out, you lose LRM-5 and one of the SRM-6s, which seriously hampers it's firepower.

The Dervish has always been one of my workhorse designs, I don't think I've ever built a unit without one, it's a solid all-rounder. Decent long-range and indirrect fire support with good, close range firepower if things get messy. Good speed for a support design, jump capable, tad light on the armor (7.5 tons isn't a lot, but enough).

[Midgie]

I like the Hoplite. Mostly because I want to see what FD can do with this:


I have to say, this version I kind of like:

Edited by Midgie, 05 March 2012 - 02:58 PM.

[Major Tom]

The second image is 100x better, although it reminds of what a Crab should look like (just add clamp arms).

[Thom Frankfurt]

I'm guessing I'd take the Kintaro... I'd have to get rid of that LRM5 though... armor, jj's or hs.

Edited by Thom Frankfurt, 05 March 2012 - 11:40 PM.

[Maris]

How about...can we have all three?

[Zakatak]

ScrewCityChris, on 05 March 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

Lawl. Center of gravity much?

From that list? Dervish for sure. From 3050 or before? Shadowhawk probably. For any 55 ton beast?
BUSHWACKER BUSHWACKER BUSHWACKER!!



Story twist: Davion uses a time machine to send Bushwackers in time, so people that play timeline-restricted video games can have a great time using the best mech ever?

Edited by Zakatak, 05 March 2012 - 07:17 PM.

[Sarah Dalrymple]

wwiiogre, on 05 March 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

dervish DV 6M has 2 med lasers, 2 lrm 10's and 2 srm 2 dervish has 5/8/5 movement walk 50kph, run 80kph and jump 150 meters; armor 120 with internal structure of 91 Kintaro KTO 18 has 3 srm 6's, LRM 5 and 2 medium lasers has 5/8 movement walk 50 kph and run 80 kph; armor 176 with internal 91 Hoplite HOP 4B has LRM 15 and PPC has 4/6 movement with walk 40 kph and run 60 kph; armor 186 with internal 91(guess) all have decent armor, no telling which one they mean or which variant unless they get more specific chris

Depends on which variant you are looking at. The original Kintaro design included a Narc, and LRM - 5, 2 SRM - 6, and 2 medium lasers. If this is an allowed variant in the game, I would seriously get it. (Source: http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Kintaro)

[Broccan Mac Ronain]

While I prefer jumping mechs with as much speed as possible MW4 proved to me that I am much better with direct fire weapons then in a missle boat so I would have to take the Hoplite