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[Slab Squathrust]

Gun Bear, on 11 October 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

The State of Wisconson

Just going to put this right here...

Anyways, I'm surprised it took them this long. Capturing animals and fighting them for our enjoyment? Didn't Michael Vick go to prison for that? I mean pokemon is just breeding a new generation of dog fighters. Because I collected the cards and watched the shows in elementary school, I have just started hording animals. I can only wait until we have the technology to imprison them in tiny balls. I wonder if you would need a concealed carry permit to sport one of these? I mean the ability to unleash a highly trained, fire spewing, fighting beast seems as dangerous as a firearm.

I remember a robot chicken episode i saw awhile back where it showed the inside of a ball and it was just a giant rave. Whenever they got called out to battle they were just hungover.

[Evinthal]

A'hem...courtesy of this thread.





I give you mechs/aerospace painted like pokemon. So you see, they really do go together.

Edited by Viterbi, 13 October 2012 - 10:26 AM.
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[1ceTr0n]

As if you needed any further proof that these people are barf shiat insane crazy

[Xeno Phalcon]

I'll be honest, If I painted a hamster yellow and stuffed him into a red and white ball then threw him across the room while expected him get out and attack a light blue dyed guinea pig I would expect PETA and some men in white coats to come after me.

As it stands however, PETA is just a bunch of idiots who have realized that to stop the harbringer of doom that is the human race it would take a unrealistic amount of money, time and a shift in a worldwide society to accomplish anything worth while so instead they are comforting themselves by lashing out at anything they can, cartoons included. (Better watch your back Elmer Fudd.)

Also I would kill for a Urbiemon o.o

Edited by Xeno Phalcon, 12 October 2012 - 01:03 PM.

[Joe3142]

Next they will attack MWO, because they belive 100s of little hamsters power the mechs.

[Egomane]

Joe3142, on 12 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Next they will attack MWO, because they belive 100s of little hamsters power the mechs.

Don't tell me the devs lied to us. How could they? Noooooooooooooooooo!

I believe in you, my little hamsters! I believe in you!

[BeerSteiner]

PETA? People for the Ethical Treatment of Atlas's?

[Catamount]

Freeride Forever, on 11 October 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Some of you guys seem to know a strangely large amount about this Pokemon stuff.

What can we say? Fortunate childhoods

It's not Pokemon for Pokemon's sake, you have to realize that Pokemon Red and Blue went hand with the later, more functional (and, from what I observed, better selling) variants of the Gameboy. Original Gameboy variants sold 120 million units; that basically slots it in as the second best selling system of all time, right behind the Playstation 2.

The Gameboy itself hit in 1990, and had instant popularity, but it didn't seem to hit that "practically every kid owns one" (something like 1 in 6 or 1 in 7 people in the US had one) until the mid 90s, coinciding with the release of Pokemon, which, timed with the release of a VERY popular card game (made so by its easy of play, and collectible nature of the cards) and very successful TV release in 1996, made for a franchise that was basically encountered by every kid, everywhere, in at least some fashion.

It's hard to overstate just how big and popular this franchise was, partly because it introduced an entire generation to handheld gaming, and partly because it was just everywhere, but especially in regards to gamers (since this IS a gamer forum), Pokemon was basically digital crack for 10 year olds everywhere. So yeah, you'll find people my age tend to remember it well.

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From what I know about PETA (very little) at least you (if you're not a total ****) can say that their cause is worthy even if their methods aren't.

Animal welfare and animal rights are important. Unless one's ethical framework is somehow intrinsically amazingly human-centric, and decidedly non-utilitarian, then the suffering of any sentient organism is a very serious issue.

That said, there's scant evidence that PETA's goal is an inherent improvement in either. Instead, they seem to be more of a club selling their vegan lifestyle, and trying to draw attention to themselves, with animal rights being nothing more than a vague justification for them demanding everyone be like them, but again, note the distinction: Their goal is selling themselves and their point of view with a justification of animal welfare; the goal is not the animal welfare in an of itself, or so it appears.

The record of their own animal shelter shows as much.

[Brethern]

Interesting fact. Peta euthanizes more animals per year than any other organization.

If you google it you'll see a link called why we euthanize. I advise not clicking on it unless you want to see disgusting pics. Keep in mind that they also kill perfectly healthy animals or animals that could easily recover.

There's a difference between putting down a dog missing half it's face and putting down a dog that has a broken leg.

[Stalephreak]

Catamount, on 09 October 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

You are reading wayyyy too much into a kid's franchise (and that isn't actually right ).

The series was about "making friends" with said magical creatures and working with them, not "enslaving" them. Is it silly? Of course it is. Is it the only silly thing loved by vast audiences around the world who are a little young to be concerned with philosophical exploration of the ins and outs of self-determination? Not at all.

Besides, Pokemon are easily capable of refusing to stay inside a poke ball; why do you think the main protagonist of the series gave up on using one for his pikachu about 10 minutes into the first episode? Later, said protagonist finds difficulty getting even a critically weak and injured pokemon to stay in a poke ball (a charmander, the exact circumstances around which I don't recall, because I was like 10). In fact, the actual level of forcible control exerted by trainers is so little, that in one instance, a trainer nearly invoked an attack on himself from his own scyther; the "enslaving" pokeball didn't do him much good.

In fact, it's a recurring theme in the game and show that these things will frequently disobey trainers they aren't inclined to follow. It became an issue early into the series with said charmander after it evolved.

If you/Peta/whoever are going to attack a silly children's franchise, then attack it for what it is: a silly children's franchise. Why are silly childrens' franchises bad? I don't know; you tell me

Actually, they go around hunting the animals to inflict x amount of damage to them so they can be caught and tamed in pocket sized cages and taught to fight for you... Play the game, you'll see I'm right. My ex girlfriend used to raise fighting chickens...guess what....It was about the same sort of deal. It's a wonder it took PETA this long... No it's not. They're these new-age nut jobs who think anything outside of nature is evil.

wtf is my steak?

[Catamount]

Stalephreak, on 12 October 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Actually, they go around hunting the animals to inflict x amount of damage to them so they can be caught and tamed in pocket sized cages and taught to fight for you... Play the game, you'll see I'm right. My ex girlfriend used to raise fighting chickens...guess what....It was about the same sort of deal. It's a wonder it took PETA this long... No it's not. They're these new-age nut jobs who think anything outside of nature is evil.

wtf is my steak?

I've played and beaten Blue, Silver, Fire Red, Diamond, and played significant portions of the first two Pokemon Stadiums.

I'm pretty sure I've played just a little more than you have

Canonically -whatever that means for a kids show-, Pokemon can still not be made to do anything. In fact, had you played the games a little more, you'd know that Pokemon are capable of disobeying you. The games were simplistic, so the mechanic was triggered if they leveled too much and you didn't have appropriate badges. This was demonstrated even more amply on the show. Pokemon are also not forcible confined to Pokeballs, as shown numerous times. They are nothing like cages. It's nothing like fighting chickens, because chickens don't possess anywhere near the same level of sentience, nor do they have anywhere near the same amount of choice in the matter.


I won't say "go watch the show"/"go play the games", no one wants to run around with a kid's franchise just to satisfy a debate, but it seems that I'm a lot more familiar with the franchise here, for whatever that's worth.

[Magnificent Bastard]

Surprised it took them this long.

Pokemon has been spreading a pro-slavery message for over a decade now. Clearly these pokemans are intelligent beings (Ash's Pikachu is one of many obvious examples) some even have the ability to write or speak Japanese (English depending on your region). And yet they are commonly shown as being captured and enslaved for the benefit of the main characters of the show. If I had children I would refuse to show them this pro-slavery propaganda.

Let us freedom-loving individuals unite and free the Pokepeoples of the world!

Edited by Magnificent Bastard, 15 October 2012 - 08:54 AM.

[Catamount]

Magnificent *******, on 15 October 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Surprised it took them this long.

Pokemon has been spreading a pro-slavery message for over a decade now. Clearly these pokemans are intelligent beings (Ash's Pikachu is one of many obvious examples) some even have the ability to write or speak Japanese (English depending on your region). And yet they are commonly shown as being captured and enslaved for the benefit of the main characters of the show. If I had children I would refuse to show them this pro-slavery propaganda.

Let us freedom-loving individuals unite and free the Pokepeoples of the world!

I'll give up my Charizard when you pry it from my COLD, DEAD HANDS

Edited by Catamount, 15 October 2012 - 10:47 AM.

[Alois Hammer]

Zavaz, on 09 October 2012 - 11:02 AM, said:

[color=#333333]I only ask that the good people of this community take 5 minutes and sign this petition and show them where the line is.[/color]

I'll pass. The 5 minutes it took to read this thread was 6 more minutes of my time than PETA deserves.