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[Night of shadow]

Adridos, on 22 March 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

Lone wolfs = free kills. As long as you're not on our side, we don't care.

so very true i must agree

[Opus]

The fact is; You join a group of players, put a random club-patch or tattoo on your a__, and claim superior abilities? Horseshyp!

After watching a bunch of online games go up in flames due to Guilds or such...

LoneWolfs are really only being honest with themselves; We will wait till we find out if your full of crap or true to your word.

Simple enough.

[Lorcan Lladd]

I wouldn't have put it that bluntly, but I concur with Opus.

Y'all have no experience whatsoever with this game, no matter how long you've been playing the older MechWarrior games, whether by yourself or as part of a team, just like all the rest of us; to assume you're that much better at it than us Lone Wolves that you don't need us or wouldn't face any difficulties when confronting us are irrational assumptions based only on a complete absence of evidence.
Whether you're discarding a valuable ally in potential or underestimating a dangerous enemy, you'll regret it.

[Azantia]

NARCoMAN, on 24 March 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

Oh awesome, this is still going.

Yes, there are some crossover pros, and cons, to playing lone wolf. The idea of the thread was that you don't need to be a faction player to enjoy this game, and for those of us with little time, there will be positives to not being in a faction. Mostly in the area of being more independent with choices made on and off the battlefield, and no problems associated with downtime from units or "guilds". No meeting times, no 'mech assignment business, no worries.

Now the problem I see cropping up is that this will also mean a little more tactical awareness will be required of a good LW in order for the battle to flow well. Comes with the territory. No TS channel and a lack of familiarisation with lancemates. LW won't be good for everyone. Just like joining a faction won't be good for everyone. It's worked very well for me in the past, especially playing MW3. Middle ground there is a Merc unit. Gee, it's almost like they thought this through.

So let the agitators and trolls tell you about how bad it's going to be playing as or with a lone wolf, it's much better to be underestimated.

Ive play alot of online games....in all genres, like all the rest of you, but lets think about this.......I have never played any mechwarrior/battletech game in organized or semi organized play and found a lone wolf or loner to be anything but a determent to an organized team...You can paint it any color you want, give it bling, spray it with air freshener, etc etc etc...Loners are always just that, One man preferring to stand alone...and in war, virtual or not, that means you die.

Its my personal opinion, but I will never put any trust, faith or stock into any lone wolf playing this game unless he single-evenhandedly beats my entire team, which will not happen. You want to know how I know this? Cause I have never seen it happen in a Mechwarrior game yet.

Maybe in a first person shooter....not in battletech/mechwarrior.

[Azantia]

Derick Cruisaire, on 24 March 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

It seems that no matter how many threads get started about the Lone Wolf (and there are several to be sure) there is always the presumption that someone who chooses to be one will be a detriment to any group they are placed in. While there will be some that will not tow the line there will also be some that will set a hign bar indeed. The same will be true for faction players. You are going to have good and bad eggs in every faction. For every batch of "9 to 14 year olds" that give a bad name to Lone Wolves. There will be another batch of "9 to 14 years olds" giving a bad name to the Davions, Steiners, Liaos, Kuritas, and Mariks. (I am leaving out Mercs because I am assuming since they are creating their own faction they will be able to control who is allowed to join. I am also leaving out the FRR because we all know that even a "9 to 14 year old" Viking is going to be a bad a$$ warrior. )

Not everyone who joins a faction is going to automaticlly fall in line. You are going to have some that are going to join because they think the logo looks cool, or because they have a friend who belongs to the same House, or what have you. Not because they really care what that particular faction stands for. And you are going to have people who join a faction because the like they lore and want to play a part in how that faction affects the Battletech universe. Lone Wolves will be no different.

To assume that all Lone Wolves (or any faction for that matter) are going to be bad players is folly. Until you have actually seen a given Mecwarrior in battle you can not know what kind of threat or benefit they represent to you.

How about we stop dwelling on how bad people might play in a group and just be glad we are going to have groups to play in?

*To clarify* I do not think that all 9 to 14 year olds are going to be problem chidren. I am merely using an earlier reference to emphasize my point. I have no doubt that there are going to 15 to ? year olds that will cause grief as well. I know, I know. Don't leave out the 1 to 8 year olds. Right?

You have obviously never played in any organized mechwarrior league, or were never part of a good team. The good teams pick lesser organized teams apart, and utterly destroy un-organized teams. Period, end of story. In time, you will see.

Edited by Azantia, 25 March 2012 - 07:59 PM.

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Hakiyah, on 24 March 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

i wasn't trying to quote, misquote or refer to your post at all. my apologies if you took it that way.

It wasn't you. One of the green-skinned trolls likes to misquote things.

Azantia, on 25 March 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

You have obviously never played in any organized mechwarrior league, or were never part of a good team. The good teams pick lesser organized teams apart, and utterly destroy un-organized teams. Period, end of story. In time, you will see.

Oh I totally agree that a highly organized group will stomp a team of lone wolves. That's not really debateable. There likely won't be teams of lone wolves against organized teams. We're gap fillers. And if the lone wolf(ves) don't know how to flow with the pace of the battle or take instruction, or analyze the Battlegrid, it's their own fault. I'm sure there will be plenty of bad players out there but I don't expect all of them to be lone wolves.

A successful lone wolf will be self-reliant, meaning they supply their own repairs, ammo, etc.. I think there will be more incompetent house troops, since there is no requirement that a house player be affiliated with an organized unit.

Lone wolf is just an affiliation status, not a measure of skill. I'm not sure why the easy kill paradigm emerged, since nobody who has commented that was has even played yet.

[Lorcan Lladd]

Azantia, on 25 March 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

I will never put any trust, faith or stock into any lone wolf playing this game unless he single-evenhandedly beats my entire team, which will not happen. You want to know how I know this? Cause I have never seen it happen in a Mechwarrior game yet.

Maybe in a first person shooter....not in battletech/mechwarrior.

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[CeeKay Boques]

Derick Cruisaire, on 24 March 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

*To clarify* I do not think that all 9 to 14 year olds are going to be problem chidren. I am merely using an earlier reference to emphasize my point. I have no doubt that there are going to 15 to ? year olds that will cause grief as well. I know, I know. Don't leave out the 1 to 8 year olds. Right?

My 7 and 9 year olds will be playing. They are going to suck need some work at first. They will probably be playing Lone Wolfs, unless I can find a faction that with a kid friendly atmosphere. They will help to sew the reputation of uncommunitive, bad Lone Wolfs at first. Not jerks, or griefers, but just non communicating bad players. So, I appreciate all you great guys making it look like Lone Wolfs are awesome so that when my young boys play, people will assume they are great first, before they find out the truth.

[guardian wolf]

Ehh... anyone can learn, and I am willing to teach.

[Ravana]

Speaking strictly for myself I intend to start as a lone wolf to get a feel for the game and it's mechanics. I want to have time to expirement with various mechs before I settle into that one that I like without my teammates complaining about my choice of mech.

Onto the 9-15 lone wolf atlas rammers.

If you look at the age poll in the general discussion ( http://mwomercs.com/...ou-mechwarrior/ ) you will find that only one vote is for 15 and under. The largest section of players is in the 26-30 age range. Now obviously this doesn't represent all 70,000+ registered users. But this is a good indication of where your general players age range is. I would also tend to think that you won't find to many players who are new to mechwarrior. It's a rather niche game and compared to what is popular these days (COD comes to mind amongst other fast-paced, instant gratification games). Mechwarrior is a rather different style of game that takes time and patience. I don't think you will find many of those players that are going to stick around long enough to really be a problem.


I do hope that this game allows for the inviting of friends to play instead of the rather random way that WOT handles it. Certainly for a while I'm sure I will be dropped into any random game. But I would hope after a while of playing with people that I would gather friends who I can play with, rather then having friends who i can chat with but can't play with because I'm not part of their faction/merc group.

[The Bounty Hunter]

Azantia, on 25 March 2012 - 07:54 PM, said:

Its my personal opinion, but I will never put any trust, faith or stock into any lone wolf playing this game unless he single-evenhandedly beats my entire team, which will not happen. You want to know how I know this? Cause I have never seen it happen in a Mechwarrior game yet.

Maybe in a first person shooter....not in battletech/mechwarrior.

The Bounty Hunter really really really, super pink swear hopes the game play structure will allow LWs to drop with Mercs and Faction Players in meaningful significant battles.......

As there will be good and bad LWs, there will also be good and bad Faction players looking to just ram things and overheat/explode. Nothing keeps any player from joining any faction from the get go. The only group with a real filter built into them will be Mercs as they will police themselves. Effective LWs will find other memebers they can trust (relative term). As with anything, the chaff will be sorted though, identified, and purged.

[Derick Cruisaire]

Azantia, on 25 March 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

You have obviously never played in any organized mechwarrior league, or were never part of a good team. The good teams pick lesser organized teams apart, and utterly destroy un-organized teams. Period, end of story. In time, you will see.

I don't think I stated anything to the contrary, and I am uncertain how your response relates to my post.