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[THOR HAMMER]

Would love to see some stealth armor or anti radar armor > what do you think ?

[Roh]

Armor? As in the plates somehow make it stealth? I mean I am sure there will be electronic countermeasures.. But... stealth "armor"? I hope not.

[Kenyon Burguess]

you have a long, long wait for that.


http://www.sarna.net...i/Stealth_Armor

[THOR HAMMER]

your right stealth armor isnt introduced until 3075

not for all mechs just scout class

[Dlardrageth]

Considering the canon background and the timeline I think any kind of "stealth armor" at current state is something that rather belongs in this thread here:

http://mwomercs.com/...h__1#entry39110

[Sp12]

That sound awesome, actually. Would certainly allow for some alternate playstyles and require more situational awareness of larger mechs.

Of course, there's probably some Canon getting in the way or whatever.

[TaraNoa]

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Prototype Stealth Armor In 3050 the Federated Commonwealth introduced their prototype stealth armor on the Infiltrator.^[9] Though effective, it was heavy and bulky.

[Belisarius1]

So, if you'd clicked your own link, the infiltrator is actually battle armour. Its stealth stuff is pretty irrelevant.

However, real stealth armour for 'Mechs was just a CC attempt to recreate the null sig system. Like all LosTech, there's thus at least the sliver of a chance a null sig could be wandering around somewhere in 3049 and make it into the game. I'm neutral on whether or not that should actually happen, of course.

[cinco]

stealth armor is another crappy battletech idea. but stealth coating makes sense. radar absorbing and reflecting material can be applied to any type of armor.

[Strum Wealh]

cinco, on 18 March 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

stealth armor is another crappy battletech idea. but stealth coating makes sense. radar absorbing and reflecting material can be applied to any type of armor.

Part of the problem with that is that radar-absorbent material, by itself, would probably be useless against the types of sensor systems installed on BattleMechs.

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Radar-absorbent material, or RAM, is a class of materials used in stealth technology to disguise a vehicle or structure from radar detection. A material's absorbency at a given frequency of radar wave depends upon its composition. RAM cannot perfectly absorb radar at any frequency, but any given composition does have greater absorbency at some frequencies than others; there is no one RAM that is suited to absorption of all radar frequencies.

A common misunderstanding is that RAM makes an object invisible to radar. A radar absorbent material can significantly reduce an object's radar cross-section in specific radar frequencies, but it does not result in "invisibility" on any frequency. Bad weather may contribute to deficiencies in stealth capability. A particularly disastrous example occurred during the Kosovo war, in which moisture on the surface of an F-117 Nighthawk allowed long-wavelength radar to track and shoot it down. RAM is only a part of achieving stealth.

While RAM might help against certain radar frequencies (depending on which RAM is used), no one RAM can assist against all of them, and any sort of multi-frequency radar would make it ineffective.

Effective stealth for a BattleMech would require reducing its radar signature (which involves the geometry of the BattleMech's design as much - if not more-so - as what it's made of), equipment to reduce its IR signature, adding shock-absorbing padding to the feet to reduce its seismic signature, building an additional(?) Faraday cage into the structure to reduce its magnetic signature, not running any active sensor systems (as the broadcasts would reveal one's position, and even lead ordinance back - see anti-radiation missiles and listen-kill missiles), and probably countering a few more sensor types (ultrasound, LIDAR, and so on).

And, on top of all that, and it isn't canonically introduced until 3063 by the Capellans...

[TaraNoa]

I just quoted the statement on http://www.sarna.net...i/Stealth_Armor

personally i like the idea of terrain cover and the mech shutdown (energy source) more then any crappy stealth armor

[Vertous]

THOR HAMMER, on 18 March 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

your right stealth armor isnt introduced until 3075

not for all mechs just scout class

so basically i will have to wait 15 years before stealth armor is introduced?!

[Garth Erlam]

I think it's pretty clear people mean 'stealth' like the Stealth Bomber, and not literally cloaking from view.

But yeah, you're looking at quite a wait, canon-wise.

[Strum Wealh]

Vertous, on 19 March 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

so basically i will have to wait 15 years before stealth armor is introduced?!

If real-time advancement persists throughout MWO's lifetime (that is, assuming there are no time-skips) and the canon dates-of-appearance is adhered-to, then 3063 (when the Capellan Confederation creates Stealth Armor in their attempt to replicate the Star League era stealth systems) should correspond to 2026 in real-life.

So, assuming there are no time-skips and the canon dates-of-appearance is adhered-to, it's going to be a while...

[Petroff Northrup]

There is always ECM though, you can use it to jam enemy sensors and is a staple alongside the BAP for scout mechs.

[plodder]

TaraNoa, on 18 March 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

Well

Geist Null, on 18 March 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

you have a long, long wait for that.


http://www.sarna.net...i/Stealth_Armor

Prototype Stealth Armor In 3050 the Federated Commonwealth introduced their prototype stealth armor on the Infiltrator.^[9] Though effective, it was heavy and bulky.

THOR HAMMER, on 18 March 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

your right stealth armor isnt introduced until 3075

not for all mechs just scout class

I cannot confirm it, but there have been rumors of lost technologies in the canon, that is canon, but you are right about an introduction, but that does not mean the ability was not there, or better than the heavy clunker in 3050. It is funny, I posted stealth armor in a fan fiction post a while ago, but did not name it, cause only those that knew about it would know it, and it is not canon, it is back in 3024. a rare unknown, as well as an Ostscout that also could not be.....LOL thanks for the Topic. LOVE IT

Edited by plodder, 19 March 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[mockingfox]

THOR HAMMER, on 18 March 2012 - 09:41 AM, said:

your right stealth armor isnt introduced until 3075

not for all mechs just scout class

it would be at this time that i will say scout =/= light mechs
i would love/hate this depending on how its implemented

[TaraNoa]

i really would like to know how the timeline ingame advances in comparison with realtime

Edited by TaraNoa, 21 March 2012 - 08:04 AM.

[Thunder Fist]

stealth armor would be cool radar absorbent armor is what i think he ment .

[Dlardrageth]

Most likely not worth it. Think about the prohibitive extra price tag this would carry and then your enemy just switches to MAD sensors and your fancy armor is worth as much as a coating made of toilet paper against that. Likely the same reason why the original Exterminator was one of the very few Mechs that got the NSS and CLPS. Not really practical as general equipment for Mechs.