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#1 Pht

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 12:57 PM

Not if the ruling of the federal court stands!




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http://law.justia.co...2011-08-15.html

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A Supreme Court case could limit the resale of goods made overseas but sold in America.

Under the doctrine, which the Supreme Court has recognized since 1908, you can resell your stuff without worry because the copyright holder only had control over the first sale.

Put simply, though Apple Inc. AAPL +2.83% has the copyright on the iPhone and Mark Owen has it on the book “No Easy Day,” you can still sell your copies to whomever you please whenever you want without retribution.

That’s being challenged now for products that are made abroad, and if the Supreme Court upholds an appellate court ruling, it would mean that the copyright holders of anything you own that has been made in China, Japan or Europe, for example, would have to give you permission to sell it.

“It means that it’s harder for consumers to buy used products and harder for them to sell them,” said Jonathan Band, an adjunct professor at Georgetown University Law Center, who filed a friend-of-the-court brief on behalf of the American Library Association, the Association of College and Research Libraries and the Association for Research Libraries. “This has huge consumer impact on all consumer groups.”

Another likely result is that it would hit you financially because the copyright holder would now want a piece of that sale.

It could be your personal electronic devices or the family jewels that have been passed down from your great-grandparents who immigrated from Spain. It could be a book that was written by an American writer but printed and bound overseas, or an Italian painter’s artwork.

There are implications for a variety of wide-ranging U.S. entities, including libraries, musicians, museums and even resale juggernauts eBay Inc. EBAY -0.04% and Craigslist. U.S. libraries, for example, carry some 200 million books from foreign publishers.

“It would be absurd to say anything manufactured abroad can’t be bought or sold here,” said Marvin Ammori, a First Amendment lawyer and Schwartz Fellow at the New American Foundation who specializes in technology issues.

The case stems from Supap Kirtsaeng’s college experience. A native of Thailand, Kirtsaeng came to America in 1997 to study at Cornell University. When he discovered that his textbooks, produced by Wiley, were substantially cheaper to buy in Thailand than they were in Ithaca, N.Y., he rallied his Thai relatives to buy the books and ship them to him in the United States.

He then sold them on eBay, making upward of $1.2 million, according to court documents.

Wiley, which admitted that it charged less for books sold abroad than it did in the United States, sued him for copyright infringement. Kirtsaeng countered with the first-sale doctrine.

In August 2011, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a lower court’s ruling that anything that was manufactured overseas is not subject to the first-sale principle. Only American-made products or “copies manufactured domestically” were.

“That’s a non-free-market capitalistic idea for something that’s pretty fundamental to our modern economy,” Ammori commented.

The Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments on the case on Oct. 29.

Both Ammori and Band worry that a decision in favor of the lower court would lead to some strange, even absurd consequences. For example, it could become an incentive for manufacturers to have everything produced overseas because they would be able to control every resale.

It could also become a weighty issue for auto trade-ins and resales, considering about 40% of most U.S.-made cars carry technology and parts that were made overseas.

This is a particularly important decision for the likes of eBay and Craigslist, whose very business platform relies on the secondary marketplace. If sellers had to get permission to peddle their wares on the sites, they likely wouldn’t do it.

Moreover, a major manufacturer would likely go to eBay to get it to pull a for-sale item off the site than to the individual seller, Ammori added.

In its friend-of-the-court brief, eBay noted that the Second Circuit’s rule “affords copyright owners the ability to control the downstream sales of goods for which they have already been paid.” What’s more, it “allows for significant adverse consequences for trade, e-commerce, secondary markets, small businesses, consumers and jobs in the United States.”

Ammori, for one, wonders what the impact would be to individual Supreme Court justices who may buy and sell things of their own. He himself once bought an antique desk from a Supreme Court justice. “Sometimes it’s impossible to tell where things have been manufactured,” he said. “Who doesn’t buy and sell things? Millions of Americans would be affected by this.”

If the Supreme Court does rule with the appellate court, it’s likely that the matter would be brought to Congress to force a change in law. Until then, however, consumers would be stuck between a rock and a hard place when trying to resell their stuff.

Jennifer Waters is a MarketWatch reporter, based in Chicago.


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#2 Absit invidia

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:41 PM

it will never happen. and if it does well. everyone will ignore it.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 04:36 PM

View PostMage man202, on 22 October 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:

it will never happen. and if it does well. everyone will ignore it.


... and the us government also will never summarily close down websites based outside of america, either...


but they have been.

#4 Absit invidia

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:50 PM

yeah but that's a a electonic action. exicutalbe by a click of a mouse. not the physical exchange of property between two persons.

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 08:55 PM

People would ignore it, just like they ignore other copyright ******** already :(

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 09:02 PM

View PostPht, on 25 October 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:


... and the us government also will never summarily close down websites based outside of america, either...


but they have been.


Yeah they've been fighting a war on drugs that they've never stopped losing & never will. The media's been fighting what they like to call "piracy" for years, still ain't winnin'. Never will. Why do you think we're getting MWO instead of MW5? The US can close one website & have 10 pop up in their place. That's what'll happen once they go far enough down that road & **** off enough people by not minding their own ******* business.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:26 AM

View PostFreeride Forever, on 27 October 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:


Yeah they've been fighting a war on drugs that they've never stopped losing & never will. The media's been fighting what they like to call "piracy" for years, still ain't winnin'. Never will. Why do you think we're getting MWO instead of MW5? The US can close one website & have 10 pop up in their place. That's what'll happen once they go far enough down that road & **** off enough people by not minding their own ******* business.


Small comfort for the people in prison, however.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:05 AM

this isn't even the worst thing going on. Obama is trying to backdoor SOPA into US law via a "treaty" the Trans-Pacific Pact.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:33 AM

View Postdal10, on 01 November 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

this isn't even the worst thing going on. Obama is trying to backdoor SOPA into US law via a "treaty" the Trans-Pacific Pact.

I don't think that's Obama, so much as Hollywood, MPAA, and other lobbyist who're allowed into the closed door negotiations of the TPP. Besides, it's not like lawmakers have any say in it, even senators and representatives aren't allowed to sit in during the negotiations, or allowed to even see the text of the negotiation without jumping through flaming hoops and agreeing to not tell anyone, even their staffers, what's actually in the text.



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