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[Santarine]

check it out

May be this is an old news, but decided to share just in case

[Northbear]

not old news. they were not up yesterday.

[Vulpesveritas]

The NDA didn't lift until it changed to today I believe.

[Darcsyde]

For thoes who don't know these 8 cores AMD has released are 1 thread per core instead of 2 threads. Granted many apps multi core optimised will see significant performance boosts but apps that are not may suffer.

Food for thought when looking at the price tag expecting a killer deal for a new machine.

[Elistaire Drummond]

Tröt. AMD has to bring some new cool stuff...

[Vulpesveritas]

Elistaire Drummond, on 23 October 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Tröt. AMD has to bring some new cool stuff...

AMD has something that can compete now, with single thread performance on par with Sandy Bridge i5s and better multi-thread performance trading blows with the IB i7s while remaining at the price of the i5s?

[Bianca Flowers]

for our purposes, the new 8-core basoically runs with a i5-3470, with the bonus of being overclockable. Probly competitove at $195, current $216 at newegg is (just) a little high

[silentD11]

Vulpesveritas, on 23 October 2012 - 10:09 AM, said:

AMD has something that can compete now, with single thread performance on par with Sandy Bridge i5s and better multi-thread performance trading blows with the IB i7s while remaining at the price of the i5s?

Very few things are actually able to take advantage of that multi threaded performance. Furthermore ivy bridge still has better per core performance due to higher IPC, more overclock headroom, and better power consumption.

It's a step in the right direction, but they aren't really all that competitive yet.

[Catamount]

silentD11, on 23 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Very few things are actually able to take advantage of that multi threaded performance. Furthermore ivy bridge still has better per core performance due to higher IPC, more overclock headroom, and better power consumption.

It's a step in the right direction, but they aren't really all that competitive yet.

I'm not sure I'd agree. At the intented $190 pricepoint (and cheaper compared to Intel chips with you consider Mobo price differenes), IB chips are not really overclockable (the 3470 is capable of only the most incredibly modest clock increase, about comparable to what my Phenom II X4 can do), nor are they really significantly faster in any meaningful situation. For gaming, while a handful of games come out here and there that are CPU-intensive, if almost always outdated DirectX9 titles, almost all games are also quad threaded, and there is no notable performance advantage of Intel chips in such applications, again, not at that pricepoint, while the FX8350 is vastly faster above quad core utilization, which is something that should become more prevalent for games, not less. Cryengine 3 already takes good advantage of 6 cores, and possibly limited advantage of more.

So basically, for the price of a 3470, you get a chip that's almost as fast at stock in non-threaded applications, yet vastly faster in the applications we'll be looking at going forward, and are already starting to see (games are already the exception in being poorly threaded, an exception that's quickly changing), all while getting overclockability that Intel doesn't give you until you hit $30-$40 more.


Now, there's still an argument to be made, perhaps, for spending the extra cash on the 3570k, since it's not that much more expensive, but for anyone looking at the sub-$200 pricepoint, AMD is making a lot more sense than Intel as far as I can see. I wouldn't buy one for $220 necessarily (at least not without a lot more thought, the chip is still faster than the 3570k out past 4 cores), but they're not supposed to sell for that price, so they should come down any time.

Edited by Catamount, 23 October 2012 - 01:18 PM.

[Serienmorder]

Question and please post links so I can follow up. Anyone know what AMD will do in the future? I have recently read several articles where they plan to move away from the desktop business focusing more on the APU's inside of performance tablet/phone devices. I am most likely going to buy an 8350 here soon seeing as how it will extend the life of my computer without having to do a complete upgrade.

[Vulpesveritas]

Serienmorder, on 23 October 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

Question and please post links so I can follow up. Anyone know what AMD will do in the future? I have recently read several articles where they plan to move away from the desktop business focusing more on the APU's inside of performance tablet/phone devices. I am most likely going to buy an 8350 here soon seeing as how it will extend the life of my computer without having to do a complete upgrade.

Next up are the steamroller 28nm core architecture, confirmed as the APU Kavari on FM2 with GCN graphics cores, and rumored to be possible on AM3+ without. After that we have Excavator, rumored to be on 20nm, but beyond that there isn't really anything known other than it will support more HSA functions.