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[Vodkavaiator]

Reading Azman's post from the 20th of November, I am reminded how awesome this RP is.

Time to get it rolling again!

[guardian wolf]

Okay first thing is first, Samuel is in no way affiliated with the 7th Kommando, what Dylan did was just say the catchphrase a Kommando agent was supposed to hear in the tea shop, the man who bumped into Dylan. What happened was that during the bump, a small needle injected the sedative, like the SOP demands, so that no field operator could find the real meeting points if they became compromised or turncoats.

[RogueSpear]

No offence GW, but that's the dumbest SOP I've ever heard of for a unit trying to remain undercover. You have one agent...who needs someone to knock him out, an armed response team and a driver, just to get him to your secret under cover base, which has who knows how many people there.
SOP for undercover agents in real life is to meet in discreet, but open, locations. Like meeting in Samuel's tea house and simply talking in low tones in the corner, like Az did. Your way: A) Compromises the location. In this case, a meeting place for an information dealer, who has every reason to be fully alert for such things as agents attempting to poison each other. So Samuel has probably taken steps to inform all the major players who attend his tea house that someone is making hits and responding with armed units to kidnap them. He wants to stay neutral and your 'SOP' has completely blown that out the water - Samuel will want to know who is breaking the rules so he can attempt to ensure they stop f*cking with his operation.
Alerts everyone else that someone is dicking about. This is a neutral meeting spot, and you just poisoned someone and then kidnapped him with a team of armed men in broad daylight. People will have noticed. They'll be talking to Samuel and each other, and trying to find out who you are, who kidnapped you, and what's going on. Not to mention all the bystanders who just saw a guy collapse in an alley and have a bunch of soldiers kidnap him in broad daylight. Dylan may have walked into a back alley, but your van can't drive in there - and you didn't say you tried either. Everyone knows about this - the police have probably been called and it's probably on the news. Samuel has probably identified Dylan and informed Von Bremen through appropriate channels (Either he knows it's a Lyran Op, or he's simply telling them that one of their mechwarriors was kidnapped). So your efforts to keep everything supahspeshulsecwet means everyone knows about it. Hell, Jack probably knows.
C) It's a hugely inefficient. The amount of resources and personnel you've devoted to a minor player, one you've mentioned in the past is unliked/in low favour/something like that, who has...no mission here whatsoever that I've seen you mention anywhere. So we have an elite, infantry *** mech commando, specializing in special operations, hit and run affairs faffing about in a low brow gladiator stable for no purpose, alerting everyone on the planet to the presence of the 7th Kommando (Who has f*ck knows what reason to be here), tying up upwards of a dozen other Kommandos who are to...something. Oh and as some bizarre sort of test, you've gone and murdered multiple men, despite having been stabbed less than 24 hours previous to...pass a test that no WD has ever had to do ever...which wasn't actually a test unless they were just checking you'd say 'Oh look a bad guy, I should attempt to escape' when captured...for this operation to do...nothing...
I don't know what you're up to GW, but you're going to need to do a lot better than handwave it as SOP. Your posts were getting much better for a while but this has actually made me rage. If you're going to do something like this, you need a reason, you need GM's permission to do something that compromises the plot, and you need player permission to use their characters and setting. That is Standard Operating Procedure.
Sorry I'm coming off harsh here, but I do mean this as constructive criticism, so hopefully that'll take the edge off.

[dal10]

i can think of a dumber SOP if you want me to. (couldn't resist even though i have no presence in this RP)

[Vodkavaiator]

I think it should be required to read a John le Carré book before trying to write an "intelligence operator" character.

The reality is that intelligence work is usually pretty boring and dry.

Or even better find a nice memoir of someone who worked in the CIA, FBI, MIA, KGB, etc. Then see how relatively rare it is for people to be killed off, assassinated, gun fights to occur, etc.

If you look at some of the most successful agents they were the people that appeared to be so boring or normal that no one paid any attention to them.

Edited by Vodkavaiator, 16 February 2013 - 07:54 PM.

[dal10]

assassinations are always a spy's tool of last resort.

[Vodkavaiator]

Well even in that regard the people who are tasked with such operations are usually not the people who are gathering information.

Anything that attracts attention or notice is really a no go if you are trying to perform any sort of covert operation.

[dal10]

pretty much it is only used if it is absolutely crucial to get a particular person out of the way, and all other avenues have been exhausted (such as bribes blackmail, that kind of stuff). even then it is attempted to make it look like an accident.

Edited by dal10, 16 February 2013 - 08:55 PM.

[guardian wolf]

Alright I get it I really ****** up *throws up hands in surrender* I'm ataking down the post.

[guardian wolf]

Due to some unforseen problems with the current post that the public has notified me of, may everyone consider the last post entirely suspended and due for major overhauls as I completely (as is apparent) forgot the size and scope of this operation, and the parameters upon which most agents need to operate anyways. Long story short, I'm pulling the last post, pending rewrite and revision. Also, please accept any and all apologies as the I apparently angered most (more or less) of the fellow RPers in this RP for the previous posts mentioned.

*Takes last two posts, crumples them up, tosses them into a trashcan and sets the whole thing on fire*

[dal10]

alright last post on here (you guys did say to follow this thread to see if any new rps might be in the works) you forgot to nuke it from orbit, as it is the only way to be sure.

[Vodkavaiator]

guardian wolf, on 17 February 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

Also, please accept any and all apologies as the I apparently angered most (more or less) of the fellow RPers in this RP for the previous posts mentioned.

GW, you didn't anger me and I am pretty sure everyone else if fine with you in general.

It's just that most of us have invested quite a bit of time in this RP and when something feels "wrong" or "out of place" it is hard to keep quiet.

However, I really hope you don't take it as a personal attack, by and large your posts have improved significantly since you started RPing here, just remember that often normal can be awesome and don't be afraid to communicate with the rest of us before you post(although this applies to everyone in general, if you have a major, potentially game changing post coming up, it would be a good idea to discuss it with the other participants).

Edited by Vodkavaiator, 18 February 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[RogueSpear]

Yeah sorry about the explosion GW, I'd had a sh*tty day and that came out way harsher than I meant it to. Feeling like a total d*ck now. I stand by my points, but the phrasing and b*tchiness was way out of line. Sorry mate :/

[guardian wolf]

No need to apologize as the level of sh*ttyness of that post was brought to my attention more clearly. I deserved any and all reports no matter the severity. Anyhow, back onto our paid programming...

[guardian wolf]

So, I have new idea, meeting to take place inside car, outside tea shop. And Samuel is going to be a little pissed that Dylan doesn't know his tea...

[guardian wolf]

And what happened to Mac's Guide?

[kevin roshak]

guardian wolf, on 19 February 2013 - 07:57 AM, said:

And what happened to Mac's Guide?

I have noticed many of the originally pinned topics have become unpinned recently

[guardian wolf]

Ehhh oh well, have to admit, it did have some great pointers though.

[Thom Frankfurt]

kevin roshak, on 15 February 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

I just finished reading the remainder of the thread and posted. My eyes are all watery and no doubt bloodshot after all that. I wanted to post more than just my fight, but holy crap, I forgot how time consuming these posts can be. I will have another 'update' starting at 4AM GMT/10PM PST.

might revolve around Randolf Von Bremen if Thom doesnt object

No pbjection from me. Everybody seems to use him.

Edit: After reading your post I must say I like the way you've fluffed Kevin's disappearance. Also I might add, that your comment on RPing Randy the way you did, is right on the money. I intended him to be a brake to Erin. Good stuff, can't wait to see more.

Edited by Thom Frankfurt, 19 February 2013 - 12:01 PM.

[dal10]

i asked metro about repinning the post and he said the staff had unpinned it so if you want it up there it has to be bumped.