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[BadWolf81]

I know we will see clan omnimechs eventually and you will be able to change the hardpoint load outs so my question is if you can change the hardpoints how will it work with leveling three mechs? Why other than mastering a mech would I need 3 Mad Cats if I can change the hard points on just one and have any setup I want.

[Terror Teddy]

Lore wise the Omnimech chassis are designed from the ground up with Engine, Internals and Armour as one solid unit and these cannot be changed.

So multiple variants could differ due to:
-Different engine SIZE
-Different engine POWER
-Different Internals (Ferror Fibrous on Chassis A but Endo Steel on Chassis

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/OmniMech

See Advantages vs Disadvantages

EDIT
So weapons could be easily swapped but perhaps equipment like ECM would not be an Omnimodule but specific chassis hardware.

Edited by Terror Teddy, 17 May 2013 - 12:24 PM.

[Parliment]

It does not really matter. Fluffy kitten clanners will cry at the horrible losses they suffer as is. might as well just give in.

[Deathlike]

There will probably still be 3 variants.

At best, there would be at most 2 omnislots (trying to balance this with more would be very difficult), so don't really expect them to be as easily changeable like in the lore.

Edited by Deathlike, 17 May 2013 - 12:40 PM.

[Lee Ving]

supernachos, on 17 May 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

It does not really matter. Fluffy kitten clanners will cry at the horrible losses they suffer as is. might as well just give in.

Q_Qing about expected Q_Q, such a hipster that your whining has meta.

[General Taskeen]

Clan IIC Mechs would be fully customizable, and already are better than the original IS Designs

Jenner IIC Meta here we come!

Edited by General Taskeen, 17 May 2013 - 12:55 PM.

[Zerberus]

Terror Teddy, on 17 May 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

Lore wise the Omnimech chassis are designed from the ground up with Engine, Internals and Armour as one solid unit and these cannot be changed.

So multiple variants could differ due to:
-Different engine SIZE
-Different engine POWER
-Different Internals (Ferror Fibrous on Chassis A but Endo Steel on Chassis

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/OmniMech

See Advantages vs Disadvantages

EDIT
So weapons could be easily swapped but perhaps equipment like ECM would not be an Omnimodule but specific chassis hardware.

For the record, Clan ECM can be mounted on just about anything and only weighs 1 ton.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/ECM_Suite

*looks over to balance forums expecting ClanECM Ragethread*

Edited by Zerberus, 17 May 2013 - 02:35 PM.

[aniviron]

supernachos, on 17 May 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

It does not really matter. Fluffy kitten clanners will cry at the horrible losses they suffer as is. might as well just give in.

I want to join the Fluffy Kitten clan! Which section of the Inner Sphere did they invade again?

[Sturmforge]

aniviron, on 17 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

I want to join the Fluffy Kitten clan! Which section of the Inner Sphere did they invade again?

That would be either Clan Nova Cat or Clan Smoke Jaguar and both invaded the Draconis Combine.

[Edson Drake]

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Lore wise the Omnimech chassis are designed from the ground up with Engine, Internals and Armour as one solid unit and these cannot be changed.

So multiple variants could differ due to:
-Different engine SIZE
-Different engine POWER
-Different Internals (Ferror Fibrous on Chassis A but Endo Steel on Chassis

If PGI makes Clan mechs this way and the IS mechs are able to mount Clan weaponry, the IS mechs will still be very competitive.

[aniviron]

Sturmforge, on 17 May 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

That would be either Clan Nova Cat or Clan Smoke Jaguar and both invaded the Draconis Combine.

Nonono, neither is remotely fluffy enough.

edit: I can't be too upset with them though, they DID invade kuritan space after all.

Edited by aniviron, 18 May 2013 - 06:29 PM.

[Sturmforge]

aniviron, on 18 May 2013 - 06:28 PM, said:

Nonono, neither is remotely fluffy enough.

edit: I can't be too upset with them though, they DID invade kuritan space after all.

Well the Nova Cats are close enough to fluffy in my book with some of the camo jobs they like to run with.

Nova Cat Camo

Edited by Sturmforge, 18 May 2013 - 09:31 PM.

[Terror Teddy]

Edson Drake, on 18 May 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

If PGI makes Clan mechs this way and the IS mechs are able to mount Clan weaponry, the IS mechs will still be very competitive.

Yes, the problem is to make them balanced so there is a tactical choice between them and neither is to powerful.

Clan mechs would have:
-Less choice with internals/engine/armour
-Pack way more guns and heatsinks

Firepower wise if we compare a Timber Wolf to the closest one we have at 75 tonnes we get the CTF-2X at 70 tonnes.

2 Missile
3 Energy
2 Ballistic

Compare that to the +5 tonne omnimech
2 missile
5 energy
2 ballistic

Ah, yes, those 5 tonnes also pack Endo-Steel, Ferro Fibrous and packs a +35 more powerful engine AND runs at 86,5 km/h which the CTF-2X would need a speed tweak in order to just keep up.

The timber wolfs stock design at +5 tonnes are +2 energy - that amount of weapon slots are closer to an Awesome or Stalker that weights 5-10 tonnes more.

And they might even have MORE actual free weapon slots depending on how PGI builds them.

So while the clanners might be "weaker" due to less chassis customization with internals the gear they have will be better and manage to mount more guns.

Clan heavies are essentially compact assault mechs with medium mech speeds.

Edited by Terror Teddy, 18 May 2013 - 09:42 PM.

[Parliment]

ALL clannies are fluffy kittens " but i dont wanna fight more then one at a time" <sniff sniff>
"but i am better i was made in a tube" <arm wave>
etc etc

[Adridos]

Edson Drake, on 18 May 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

If PGI makes Clan mechs this way and the IS mechs are able to mount Clan weaponry, the IS mechs will still be very competitive.

No, they will completely whipe the Clan mechs off the face of the Earth.... or whaterver planet they happen to fight on.

[Sturmforge]

Adridos, on 19 May 2013 - 12:18 AM, said:

No, they will completely whipe the Clan mechs off the face of the Earth.... or whaterver planet they happen to fight on.

Tukayyid

[Hotthedd]

Omnimechs do not have variants, only alt. configs. Therefore it should be impossible to ever unlock the Elite skills or double basic skills on an omnimech. This is a built-in way of balancing the mechs, IMO.

[Lee Ving]

Hotthedd, on 19 May 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Omnimechs do not have variants, only alt. configs. Therefore it should be impossible to ever unlock the Elite skills or double basic skills on an omnimech. This is a built-in way of balancing the mechs, IMO.

And eliminate a major driving factor behind the grind / money to convert XP - thereby PGI revenue?

lolnope

[MeiSooHaityu]

It's hard to say if there will be variants or not.

Like one guy said, they might have alternate motor/internal combos that will be the variants.

Also, I wonder if instead of spending millions of C-Bills on different mech chassis, you will be spending millions of C-Bills (or some MC) to change out Omni slots (similar to the way heat sinks, artemis, internals, etc... are done now). If that is the case, in theory, they could build a skill tree around omni slots instead of chassis for Clan Mechs (EX: XP being generated by use of a ballistic omni slot on chassis X). If they did do this however, I do not know what kind of bonuses that would be unlocked. Maybe chassis bonuses still, but the only way to get them is to use all the omni slots available for that chassis.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 20 May 2013 - 05:48 AM.

[Zerberus]

Hotthedd, on 19 May 2013 - 07:46 AM, said:

Omnimechs do not have variants, only alt. configs. Therefore it should be impossible to ever unlock the Elite skills or double basic skills on an omnimech. This is a built-in way of balancing the mechs, IMO.

WOW!! This is actually the VERY FIRST clan balance Idea outside of 10 C vs 12 IS matchmaking that I think might have some actual merit, good job

Unfortunately, it probably won`t happen, because it would "degerind" the clan mechs, which all IS pilots are long 100% convinced will be worth at least 5 times their tonnage in IS mechs. So they will QQ about not having to grind for skills in clan mechs "because everything is already unlocked".. Don`T matter if it`s true as long as you can whine about it, at least on the MWO forums

It would be Glorious QQ, but unnecessary QQ

Edited by Zerberus, 20 May 2013 - 06:44 AM.