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#61 XMenSF

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 07:40 PM

View PostKerensky *K* Reg Army, on 09 November 2011 - 04:32 AM, said:

Uhhh.. on a decade long vacation from Solaris?!? When did you move to Vegas? I been there several times this year and last! Ughhhh...

X - I suck now, be gentle. :D

meh...only takes a couple battle te get back into it get practicing :)

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 04:41 AM

I miss BaronNight :)

#63 Qin

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 09:31 PM

If you build it they will come... :)

#64 Jack Gallows

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 10:46 PM

Trying to pick out a Chain of Command seems futile, especially with the influx of new players that will appear who all have their different ideas on who should do what.

#65 Andrew Osis

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 01:01 AM

Well we are going for unity here, there is an existing system from both MPBT and MW alike. We want to rally everyone and make desicions as the games details are revealed. One thing we know is we are all loyal to Davion, even if the game is just mercs or whatever the case may be, even if it was a stand alone MW, House Davion and the rest of the houses will create CoC and planetary if need be outside of the game engine, using it solely to resolve combat. As we have done in MPBT:Solaris with SLL and in MW with the many many planetary leagues. Our main focus now is establishing who is planning on returing and integrating with any new elements. I personally have played in pretty much every BT community, online competitivly. MPBT,Netmech,Mercnet,MW3,MW4, Mechassault1 and 2 and Mechcommander. I even have about 80 missions in the VWE Pods. I know people from all over and so far the concensus has been unity, any leaders or CoC would be implimented democratically with emphasis on peoples credentials and individual skills as well as level of commitment and availibility. I have very little time for example, so mostly Ill be worrying about my own unit and trying to train pilots when I can. This isnt about me really, I dont want rank I just wanna blow **** up. There are benefits to having organized structure within the overall factions. This ultimatly can "unionize" the player base and allow us to communicate with the developers in a more direct and composed fashion as well as supplementing the community. You may not know of MPBT but this house has survived over 10 years without a successor to MPBT or even MW4, that in and of itself is amazing. I have seen people come out the woodwork and It has me so excited for next summer. Let the good times roll once again!

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 03:23 AM

I don't go as far back as most of those here, but having seen what Qin and the boys/girls could pull off even in the mess that was ISW, I'd be fine with seeing them take the reins again, for sure. By the end, the only thing I enjoyed about that game was the spirit carried in the house/the people in it.

Does depend on how the game ends up being structured, how necessary it is, but I can't see more coordination being a bad thing. Even if not everyone goes along with it, it'll still allow for good company and good strikes.

Just my few thoughts anyway.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 07:08 AM

My thing is this i recognize Qin as Prince he was there with us through ISW and into MwLL also Qin dates back to MPBT Solaris and has been active through all the variations since. I see a lot of guys posting names that they recognize as CoC I respect and admire many of these people Memnoch brought me into HH and Davion where i have made my home since April of 1998.I have since moved to 1FSAC after 3025 ended and we transistioned into MW.I missed the early days but my roots have been solid with House Davion since. i hope we can build the the kind of command structure that i first seen when i enter service it was a very intragel part of game.What i dont wont to see is an incident similar to what happen toward the end of MPBT when the CoC became kind of hazy.I would like to see that all variations from Genie thru MwLL come together in a uniform CoC to solidify House Davion's rightfull postion as the HOUSE to respect & fear .

Edited by Mustang, 14 November 2011 - 07:10 AM.


#68 Andrew Osis

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:05 PM

Exactly well said 'stang!

#69 Gregorri Davion

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 01:44 PM

I see alot of great relationships being re-kindled her and I am really anxious to see how well you old fella's take to new people coming in. I have been gaming for a LONG time, especially in MMO's, starting with Ultima Online and Everquest all the way up to Rift and Perpetuum today. In that time i've seen groups of people who have been gaming together a long time start off in a new game and get some newer faces to fill out the ranks and then basically use those people to gain for themselves while leaving the newer members to wallow.

Now, I can see alot of mutual respect here and I am thinking that this wont be a problem, but as a newer person trying to come into the fold it is a bit daunting seeing the great amount of history alot of you guys already share.

I would love to see some of the older guys who are higher up in the CoC post some info on how some things might work for newer recruits coming out of the training programs fit in to all this. I understand this is a new game, but i am sure this is not the first rodeo you guys have been to. :)

Sorry bout the little rant, I am just really excited about this game and really looking forward to working with alot of you guys over the next few years.

Gregorri Davion.

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 01:54 PM

Well first the House itself is not in direct control of the regiments. So if some regiment CO and a few others make a regiment and then fill it with newbies and let them do all the heavy lifting, i do hope the newbies will be smart enough to go find a more suitable team to play for.
Reality is the only people what can do something about those types of CO's is the players themselves. Without members those CO's wont go anywhere. And can forget about any House recognition in award ceremonies. No bling bling for them :D

I know what you mean about it looking a bit daunting, i have been in that position myself years ago when i joined the House on MPBT: Solaris. And even wondered how far i could go. From my own experience its best to describe the House as a meritocracy.

Once you rise in rank you will find that a shift starts to take place in your job skills. As a simple soldier you need to know how to follow orders, thrust that your lance leader and company leaders know what they are doing. You only have to be good at driving your mech and your role in the lance/company. When you become a lance leader your not just driving your own mech but are also responsible for those other 3 guys and lead them well so they make it to the end of the round. Your not just driving and following orders, you are also expected to do some thinking on your own there. Up to Company commander, its going to get more funny, got your own lance and 2 more you have to direct. And slowly people skills are creeping in, more people around, heads bounce, and your they guy who has to keep the team running smoothly. Getting people trained, know who are weak in certain area's etc. Battalion CO's same but more management. While the poor Regiment CO at the time has most paperwork. All the way up the ladder it becomes less important to be a hotshot top mechwarrior, and more and more important that you have good management skills. It also shifts from Tactical to Strategic.

A good CO will keep track of his people, and ideally keep a record. That way its easy to keep an eye on people who got the right skills, who could be asked to take a position in the House.

Going a bit hypothetical here. Ideally we would have 1 or 2 training regiments, with some good trainers from the regiments of the AFFS. Maybe on some rotation basis. Where regiments could send the newbies for basic training. Maybe have a treaty with the other houses to set a few planets aside where we can pit our training regiments against each other. That way they wont have to face elite troops on their milk runs, and learn the ropes.

So from that you go back to your regiment and there you will have to make a name for yourself. Learn from your lance leader see what he does, learn from the mistakes, remember what works and what doesn't. In time you get your chances to lead and when you do well people will notice and your CO might make you an lance commander. Do well and eventually you will make Company CO.
These mid level jobs, the Company CO and Battalion CO are interesting places to be, there you will need a wide array of skills to be successful.

Eventually maybe you become CO when the current one does not want the job anymore, or maybe the CO was asked to fill a House position or maybe he just went back to being a mechjockey, Or maybe you go off and make your own regiment.

But your ambitious and you want to become a House Officer. Several ways lead to New Avalon. Your prowess with the tongue and pen might be known and you get asked to hold a position, or maybe your Regiment CO pointed at you when we where casually discussing the need to fill a position. In a small community it might be easy to know everybody but the larger it becomes the more important it will be to have some record keeping. Do a good job, and who knows maybe you get selected as the next House Leader or House XO

End hypothetical.

How big we need to setup is all in the cards, when we get a more clear picture what we need we will need to get everybody at the table to make some hard plans. Although it does not hurt to thing through some scenarios, or bring up the past a bit :)

Personally i do not care where people come from, new, old, mpbt, mw4, boardgames, musical, as long as they are good at what they need to do. House Davion is not there for itself, but for the community.

Okay last one to get to Sian will pay drinks in Skippy! :D

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:11 PM

Thanks a ton for that great response. That was exactly the type of awnswer i was looking for. As far as using the merit system, I could not agree more wholeheartedly.

As an example, I played EVE online for almost 6 years and started out as a rookie pilot under some great players who trained me to be a better combat pilot, and as my knowledge of the game grew so did my understanding of the work needed behind the scenes to make sure every one was combat ready. A couple years later i was 2nd in command of combat operations and also top CO of logistics.

Working my way up is not a problem at all. I am more than happy to put in the time when i can.

Looking forward to fighting along side you all.

#72 Kyll Long

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 03:40 PM

Sian is currently closed for renovation please follow this detour to Tharkad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
:)

#73 GargoyleKDR

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:32 PM

View PostKyll Long, on 17 November 2011 - 03:40 PM, said:

Sian is currently closed for renovation please follow this detour to Tharkad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
:)


Oddly, that waits for a few more years. ;>

In the meantime, I hear some speed bumps calling.

#74 Kyll Long

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:34 PM

That's ok Ill repave New Avalon for ya soon as we finish cleaning up Sian :)

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 08:03 PM

I want to add to Qin's post.

Among the many varied tasks of command level officers is to coordinate the training standards within the assortment of regiments and merc corps that make up the collective House. Making sure that everyone in the House becomes competent on combat operations is a fundamental pillar of every House's success. Helping the individual groups to improve on their training, and sharing best practices between the various groups is part of the responsibility of a High Command. Sometimes that means asking people to go work with the the best trainers. Sometimes those trainers aren't in their "home group". Sometimes it means asking the best trainers to help train the trainers of other groups. Sometimes it means negotiating between the various groups to find a way to share or create a system that works for everyone.

A fundamental principle of any command, and especially House Davion over the various incarnations of MPBT/MechWarrior, is to educate people to succeed. What they do with that education is up to them. Contribution in an area that you are good at has always earned recognition and advancement. In this new game there is a huge opportunity to contribute. It's a green field out there.

Edited by GargoyleKDR, 17 November 2011 - 08:04 PM.


#76 Jack Gallows

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 05:45 PM

I think I'm going to pull a Phelan....

Not the Clan part, haha.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 07:51 AM

Sorry for not jumping in on this discussion sooner, I guess I wanted to get caught up on all of the discussions, and see where the game is before posting a comment.

I think from my standpoint, I would like to see more of the game layout, and how the structure of the different factions built. I have seen from experience what is planned doesnt always become the end product. So, I think as a starting point, we just continue to gather our numbers and keep communication strong. I wouldnt worry about who is in charge of what right now, simply because nothing is set into stone.

Just my thoughts on this discussion, hope to see you all in the field of battle soon.

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

View PostGuardianXPS, on 11 December 2011 - 07:51 AM, said:

Sorry for not jumping in on this discussion sooner, I guess I wanted to get caught up on all of the discussions, and see where the game is before posting a comment.

I think from my standpoint, I would like to see more of the game layout, and how the structure of the different factions built. I have seen from experience what is planned doesnt always become the end product. So, I think as a starting point, we just continue to gather our numbers and keep communication strong. I wouldnt worry about who is in charge of what right now, simply because nothing is set into stone.

Just my thoughts on this discussion, hope to see you all in the field of battle soon.

That is Rob aint it? Good to see ya :P

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:10 PM

View PostLordRush, on 02 November 2011 - 10:35 PM, said:

I would have to say that this will probably be a touchy subject matter. I have been in correspondence with some of the CoC from the BT/MPBT side of affs. However, the one thing I am curious about is the CoC from other MW games. Already, I have seen on here a gathering of unknown commanders from mektek and misc. other games.
So...how do we bridge the gap. Who should the honors go to? In the months ahead, this SHOULD be a hot topic. However...there are still alot of unanswered questions to MWO that could affect the bottom line here.
I'd chime into say that maybe it's still a little to early to say....but, if there was a vote, now..I would render the Scorps services to these individuals:
Bruiser
Menmoch
Gargoyle
Qin
Hawkeye
Rygat
XMen


Um... ya...
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but if the game is a fraction as succesfull as it will need to be to continue existing, there will be far too many people playing to make any CoC meaningful. Aside from that, there will be no hard coded CoC, it will be even less hard coded then it was in MPBT.
Not to mention units like mine, dont like some of them people listed and will sooner shoot them out of an airlock then take orders from them.

Best case scenario, the entire MPBT AFFS community of a few hundred people could work together toward a common goal, maybe focusing on taking a single planet or two.

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Posted 03 January 2012 - 09:13 PM

>Kerensky *K* <Reg Army> AFFS
>[MPBT] Simba
mfw ^_^
I ****en knew it!





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