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[Fluffy Kitten]

so i have a quick question, that probably will not be able to be answered.
but i have played a few F2P games, and some P2P games as well.
the model i do like for the F2P is WoT.
the one thing that makes it a strong unfriendly account hacking setting is the ability to not be able to share anything with anyone else.
games like WoW, where you can share everything, makes for a comunity driven economy, and all aound fun comunity interaction, but it promotes account hacking.

nothing is as unfun as logging onto your account only to see that it is drained of everyhting that you have worked hard to attain.

now WoT does not allow peer to peer trading of anything, and i like it's resoning to not have any encouragement for someone to hack into your account, since the hacker will have no benifit to being there.


my question is will there be a model in MWO which allows players to trade equipment, mechs, or C-Bills?

[Omicron Omega]

I doubt you'll get an answer any time soon. Just saying

[Oswin Aurelius]

No, the Devs have stated that you will not be able to trade with other player or gift them items and/or C-Bills.

[Vasces Diablo]

Someone has been playing Diablo 3 (or at least reading the Blizzard forums)

[Prophet of Entropy]

im a big fan of not f2p games not having a "trade" system. removes the "gold farmers" from the game and encourages people to give thier money the developers rather then some 3rd party.

[IceSerpent]

Hacking becomes a non-issue as soon as one uses a reasonably strong password. I agree that not having a trade system removes gold farmers from the game though, which is a good thing.

P.S. I wouldn't bring up pay-to-win games like WoT as a model for anything, but that's just me.

[Skadi]

Give us a Authenticator app and be problem solved.

[Lagavulin]

Skadi, on 18 June 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Give us a Authenticator app and be problem solved.

Agreed. I personally love the authenticator app from Battle.net

[Chillybill]

I played Americas Army for a while, F2P there is nothing to buy ever, you train you have different things available for your game play and different weapons, you play for the fun of playing and for rank there is nothing to buy, ever. With all that said there are still cheaters in the game running scripts so that their aim is better than yours, they can run faster than you, wall walk throughs, etc... They do all that script writing for a rank in the game that dosen't even help them in gameplay, so some people are just going to cheat to cheat and there is nothing the devs or anyone else can do to prevent them trying although I think the devs will do a good job of shutting down and shutting out those that do try.

[Fluffy Kitten]

well the problem i see with any sort of account hacking is suply and demand
if there is a demand for the content of someones account, then there will be people who will find it worth while to make programs to gain access to the accounts.

authenticators and client driven security is never really the culprit anyways.
most account theft happens on the user side of things, where it's not hard to mess with the records on your machine.



PPS:
i dont think WoT is a P2W game, but the people who do defend it with a redicelous fanactism that borders on retarded is kind of funny.
in WoT you cant pay for skill.

[Tsunamisan]

Well if they are worried about hacking i say that what they do is make Key authenticators and sell those like blizzard does for WOW. Then if th player cares enough to seccure their account they can buy one fo like $15

This not only splits th pressure between th player and the developer but also gives th developer an incentive to seccure it becau they will also make money on each authenticator sold.

Oh yah and another thing. Games that have no ecconomy often fail becaus you cant trade or sell items. This game i can see that you probably wouldnt have anything but c-bills on hand since you don't gain salvage, But trading money is integral to battletech. IE: how would you pay your merc if you couldnt trade?

Edited by Tsunamisan, 18 June 2012 - 02:16 PM.

[Badfinger]

I like a system where everyone stands on their own merit. Knowing the your opponent has earned everything like you have, just makes for better game play. And that keeping all the C-BILL farmers out of the game is a nice bonus also.

[vjaggers17]

Just my personal thought but if u have run scrips and hack peoples accounts to get ahead and/or win a game doesn't deserve to play the game. I think that just a low thing to do. I know there r tons of people that dont believe in playing a game honorably but the gaming gods need to beat them down.

[Tsunamisan]

since this is mostly server side i don't think scripting will be a real issue with this title.

[JabberJon]

Agreed, I can't see a whole lot of hijacking going on, minus people doing dumb things or using really simple passwords. As long as the game is keeping up, there shouldn't be any "hacking" problems, per se.

[Chillybill]

vjaggers17, on 18 June 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Just my personal thought but if u have run scrips and hack peoples accounts to get ahead and/or win a game doesn't deserve to play the game. I think that just a low thing to do. I know there r tons of people that dont believe in playing a game honorably but the gaming gods need to beat them down.

AGREE AND ITS THE MAIN REASON I QUIT PLAYING AMERICAS ARMY

[SJMechgod27]

I would like to comment on the authenticator thing. I bought Diablo 3 , my starting password is over 16 Characters long , there is no word in it , its all just random key presses , its got like 6 numbers in it , 3 capitals , 5 symbols and a few lower case all just really off the wall. I did not even long into my account for 2 months. Guess what , my account got jacked , I changed my password again to a very wierd password , a week later it was hijacked again and I never logged into the game. Let me give you some advice about these Authenticators , you know why they work? Its because once you buy one from blizzard , they stop issuing you bans , which means they are doing the bans from the inside just so you will pay for a authenticator , its just to get more money from the players. They make you feel insecure and then sucker you in to make more money. Afterall , each email I got that gave me a 30 hour ban had a link directly to the page to buy a authenticator , not to mention the private message I had on blizzards website was also to buy a authenticator. Once again , its a hoax to get you to spend more money and once you do , they leave you alone , which makes you think what you did was the right thing , when it actually was not. Just my 2 cp.

[Kreaven]

I'm kinda new here, just registered.

But if your account is hacked is %99.9999 of the time the fault of the owner of such account, you can't go blame the game or the mechanics of it for hackers proliferation.

Its a common knowlege how hackers get their accounts. There are a few ways how they get the accounts

a) Blackhat(the bad hackers) hackers use their knowlege to hack forums, webbased mails, and such to get a DB(database) of accounts and their passwords(and your the account settings such as secret questions and such) and then they sell those DB's to anyone who is buying. Those who bought that DB are going to check every acc name and password over bank accounts, paypal, games, etc.
phishing
c) using bruteforce; there are programs out there that use everysingle word in everysingle language and everysingle name to brute force their way into your account so setting your account name and password like: fluffy pass: mike123 its not something you can do to improve your security.

So... dont have the same password for everything, dont use names or full words. Something as easy as using your first name and your social number(or whatever) mixed up is enough. Like 5p2a4t7r7i9c0i6a (your mothers name: patricia. your social number: 52477906) but this will not work if you use the same password all over the internet. This will just stop "c)", if you set custom password for importand things you will stop "a)" and if you are carefull enough you will stop " "

There is almost nothing a server side can do stop this from hapening. The same way there isn't anything they can do to prevent from being hacked themselfs but this usualy takes a lot of manpower to ddos a server and then steal stuff, its not like they have the firepower of anons, etc. Anons uses a lot of ppl to ddos servers down.

SJMechgod27, on 09 August 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

I would like to comment on the authenticator thing. I bought Diablo 3 , my starting password is over 16 Characters long , there is no word in it , its all just random key presses , its got like 6 numbers in it , 3 capitals , 5 symbols and a few lower case all just really off the wall. I did not even long into my account for 2 months. Guess what , my account got jacked , I changed my password again to a very wierd password , a week later it was hijacked again and I never logged into the game. Let me give you some advice about these Authenticators , you know why they work? Its because once you buy one from blizzard , they stop issuing you bans , which means they are doing the bans from the inside just so you will pay for a authenticator , its just to get more money from the players. They make you feel insecure and then sucker you in to make more money. Afterall , each email I got that gave me a 30 hour ban had a link directly to the page to buy a authenticator , not to mention the private message I had on blizzards website was also to buy a authenticator. Once again , its a hoax to get you to spend more money and once you do , they leave you alone , which makes you think what you did was the right thing , when it actually was not. Just my 2 cp.

Blizz Auths are free. I dont know what %90 of your post speaks about.

Auths cannot be hacked. They use the same logic as high security facilities uses. Such as VPN's for importan business, they use a random algorith to general a hexadecimal randomly every 15 secs and changes such algorith every now and then.

You pc was provably infected by a keyloger

Edited by Kreaven, 10 August 2012 - 12:44 AM.

[Lightdragon]

Skadi, on 18 June 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Give us a Authenticator app and be problem solved.

we dont need authenticators theres no reason to hack mwo accounts therefore its a wasteful idea

[wowchick2021]

this game i think is more secure then WoW