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[Divine Madcat]

So, anyone else noticing this? The last two matches both had a trial mech alpha striking the ground until they overheated, and then they instantly quit. Its obvious that this is to circumvent the AFK and other issues.. is there any plans to handle this kind of crappy behavior?

[New Breed]

Yes, I've had it happen a lot tonight

Edited by Ghost Bear, 02 November 2012 - 10:59 PM.

[n00bfish]

I've seen it too, more often than I'd like. Better to submit this to support, IMHO, than post it on the forum. If we spread the word about exploits here, they just become more widespread.

Hope you don't run into it too much. Happy hunting!

[Shi no Kami]

I actually think the whole Overheat to Explode thing is stupid. Just make Shut Down longer, so you cannot start up again until heat is below 100%. Alpha again, and all you do is waste time.

Seriously, exploding because your ammo cooks off is one thing, exploding because you alpha and over heat alone (I swear I've seen all energy builds, or Gaussbacks, explode due to heat) is stupid.

It would work to the benefit of all by denying Alpha-Suicides and remove a bit of nonsense like explosion due to overheating (which is again, as I said, fine with AMMO but not without ammo).

[DrAwkward]

It doesn't matter anyway. If you die from suicide or leaving mission boundaries then you only keep the money you earned prior to dying. Try it yourself if you want, just stick around until the end of the match so you can see the end screen.

Also, @ Shi no Kami, you typically can't overheat and die on maps that aren't Caustic Valley unless you're overriding the safety shut-down.

[Gunghoe]

If this happens, I tipically run hot. If i overheat and die in the midst of combat and i accidentally kill my self i would love to have the either defeat or win credits. This is an evil that you have to deal with, in the end it will cause a problem for the real people. Punish the stupid punish all. Just punish the cheats and exploiters, but if you have to punish all to reduce the cheaters/exploiters then dont do it. It is a bad thing for customers and other things.

[Particle Man]

Divine Madcat, on 02 November 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

So, anyone else noticing this? The last two matches both had a trial mech alpha striking the ground until they overheated, and then they instantly quit. Its obvious that this is to circumvent the AFK and other issues.. is there any plans to handle this kind of crappy behavior?

yes. they are watching for it, it's a banable offense, and they ask that you get their name and send in a ticket about them.

griefing is against the rules.

and they are also working on a solution

Edited by Particle Man, 02 November 2012 - 11:43 PM.

[Accident]

Gunghoe, on 02 November 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

If this happens, I tipically run hot. If i overheat and die in the midst of combat and i accidentally kill my self i would love to have the either defeat or win credits. This is an evil that you have to deal with, in the end it will cause a problem for the real people. Punish the stupid punish all. Just punish the cheats and exploiters, but if you have to punish all to reduce the cheaters/exploiters then dont do it. It is a bad thing for customers and other things.

This. I've been running a trial raven, and I tend to run hot, and sometimes I'll push Override once, especially if I'm in the middle of what is going to be the deciding fight. On the city map we got in a tangle with the remainders of the enemy team near their base. I used override in a fight against a jenner, we killed the Jenner, and then moved into the base. I was down to a large laser and was firing that as I could, while on the edge of heat. I was *not* using over ride at this point, and still ended up blowing myself up somehow. End of the match I have a couple hundred damage done, and 5 assists, and get a whopping 10K for it cause the game thought I exploited.

This is just stupid, if I've done more than a 100 damage I may not be playing stellar, but I'm certainly playing and not exploiting. I also stayed til the end of the match to see how it turned out.

-Accident

[Gunghoe]

Accident, on 03 November 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

This. I've been running a trial raven, and I tend to run hot, and sometimes I'll push Override once, especially if I'm in the middle of what is going to be the deciding fight. On the city map we got in a tangle with the remainders of the enemy team near their base. I used override in a fight against a jenner, we killed the Jenner, and then moved into the base. I was down to a large laser and was firing that as I could, while on the edge of heat. I was *not* using over ride at this point, and still ended up blowing myself up somehow. End of the match I have a couple hundred damage done, and 5 assists, and get a whopping 10K for it cause the game thought I exploited.

This is just stupid, if I've done more than a 100 damage I may not be playing stellar, but I'm certainly playing and not exploiting. I also stayed til the end of the match to see how it turned out.

-Accident

yeah also this, You can have a critical heat thing and blow your self up with just running super hot. like just below 100% if you maintain it too hot you could boil your equipment and die. with out pressing override. It can happen, then punishing you for Somthing the game mechanics have already in place to punish you you should not punish them any further.

The only solution is Not have this realism, no matter what your heat or if you override you should not die. The thing i think they should do to get rid of this problem is get rid of override, even though it is useful at times. and force people to shut down at 100%. Getting rid of Blowing up for too high heat, period. That is the only logical way to fix this problem. any other way such as punishing people for accidentally killing them selves, is beyond stupid.

I already feel that going out of bounds, and dieing from that is lame. But is fine. any other method will punish the player, than the person playing the system. Much like DRM, all it does is punish the end user, and not the criminal or pirate. DRM is useless, and is easy to get around, all it does is punish the legit consumer. Just like this you don't want to punish legit players for playing "stupidly" or playing "like you need to" in order to win.

[Galantdramon]

The biggest problem PGI (and every game company) seems to have, is the fact that to make something -immune- to exploits, you have to make it impossible to play.

The looser something is, the easier to exploit, yes, but the ones that shoot up or snort exploits will not stop trying, 'cause like any other addict, that's their drug of choice.

I run around in a light mech, spotting, straifing a little as I go, trying not to get roflstomped, and my dmg score lacks accordingly. I have on occasion overheated (overheat does dmg to internal components, you melt your engine, you blow up like you got cored) but I've been in the game for a while.

Until PGI has a name and shame thread posted for accounts banned, with people in chat going "hey, what happened to joe? joe, he got his account banned for that cheating he was doing." the ones doing it are gonna keep going with it.

I've had my mech explode 'cause I ran too hot.

I've had my connection <bleep> out on me at the start of a match, and had my mech "still in game" and had to use another.

I think it <bleep>s that you can play a long, hard fought game, get down to the last two mechs, and one of you overheats and blows up, and the game takes everything away from you because you overheated, you dirty little exploiter you.

It's also not good, if you have an iffy connection, and have days when it's hard to stay connected, and have people think you're a dirty little exploiter.

Not much can be done about the latter, but the former has a simple (and annoying to the 30 seconds and done 'sploiter crowd) workaround.

Set the "overheat = suicide = exploit penalty" on a timer...most people aren't going to overheat in the first minute or two, and by then, you could have zerged the other side anyway...2-3 minutes before Overheat Death doesn't count as a 'cheat' and at least most honest players that ride their red line won't be punished for trying hard.

[BoldarBlood]

overheat suicide is the best way to grind up with these useless trial-mechs.

[Tardstrong]

Perhaps a check on damage done and taken before the penalty is applied?
If a mech does above 'x' damage done or 'y' received then it isn't a suicide.
Whenever I've blown myself up my mech was pretty banged up.

Edited by Tardstrong, 03 November 2012 - 04:02 AM.

[Digital Ninja]

Particle Man, on 02 November 2012 - 11:43 PM, said:

yes. they are watching for it, it's a banable offense, and they ask that you get their name and send in a ticket about them.

griefing is against the rules.

and they are also working on a solution

I don't see what's taking so long. Just make dying within the first few minutes of a game set your c-bills and experience for that game to 0, problem solved.

BoldarBlood, on 03 November 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

overheat suicide is the best way to grind up with these useless trial-mechs.

Actually, the best way is to win with them. Get some friends and use teamwork and you'll win 90% of your games. That's still the case even if you're all in trial mechs.

Edited by Digital Ninja, 03 November 2012 - 04:11 AM.

[bravo3]

its even more troubling to find out later that founders actually do this on trial mechs. seen quite a few last nyt as well.

[Digital Ninja]

Galantdramon, on 03 November 2012 - 02:23 AM, said:

I think it <bleep>s that you can play a long, hard fought game, get down to the last two mechs, and one of you overheats and blows up, and the game takes everything away from you because you overheated, you dirty little exploiter you.

Just keep an eye on your heat and don't overheat in the first place.

[Tardstrong]

I was/am in a trial raven trying the game out, no modifications possible.
Was it my fault?  Yes.
Should I have to pay the repair bill?  Of course.
However I don't think I should be additionally penalized from the mixture of trying too hard and learning the game (being a nub).

Edited by Tardstrong, 03 November 2012 - 04:16 AM.