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[Soviet Alex]

Omigir, on 10 April 2012 - 04:12 PM, said:

Still does not change the fact that the AS7-K was produced in *response* to the clans.

It's important to explain that Inner Sphere advanced technology does not appear in response to the Clans. It's the other way around. The Clans invade when they do because the Inner Sphere is becoming more high-tech.

[LordDeathStrike]

That Guy, on 10 April 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

as long as there are down sides to XL engines, im fine with it. and all the new tech is more expensive to buy and maintain


on the other hand, it just seems unnatural for a centurion to go 97kph

im so ripping that useless xl engine out of my sniper atlas, **** dieing from side torso hits. ill use the slowest regular engine if i have too, but **** XL

[Paladin1]

LordDeathStrike, on 11 April 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

im so ripping that useless xl engine out of my sniper atlas, **** dieing from side torso hits. ill use the slowest regular engine if i have too, but **** XL

Then you won't be getting that sniper Atlas, the tonnage for those ER Larges came from the tonnage freed up by that XL engine. You could still go with an LRM 20 and a Gauss Rifle, but that's all.

[Leetskeet]

That Guy, on 10 April 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

as long as there are down sides to XL engines, im fine with it. and all the new tech is more expensive to buy and maintain


on the other hand, it just seems unnatural for a centurion to go 97kph

Even though this is only the second post, it's the first one that caught my eye.

You're saying 97 kp/h is unnatural for a Centurion, and I understand where that comes from from the fact that canon has the Centurion waddling along at a measly 64 kp/h, but a lighter end medium mech barely outpacing an Atlas is what's unnatural. Mediums essentially need to go 86, even the heavier ones, or they're just too slow for the weight.

I understand it may work in tabletop or whatever, but what are you going to do in a Mechwarrior game with a medium that's trucking along at 64 kp'h? You can't catch anything that isn't an Assault, you can't run from anything, so what are you going to do?

Edited by Leetskeet, 11 April 2012 - 04:49 AM.

[Jack Gallows]

That Guy, on 10 April 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

on the other hand, it just seems unnatural for a centurion to go 97kph

Yen Low Wang disagrees

Leetskeet, on 11 April 2012 - 04:45 AM, said:

I understand it may work in tabletop or whatever, but what are you going to do in a Mechwarrior game with a medium that's trucking along at 64 kp'h? You can't catch anything that isn't an Assault, you can't run from anything, so what are you going to do?

Take an Arrow IV to the knee.

As for on topic....

It was inevitable that the newer tech would be retconned into earlier timeline with memory cores/etc before the Clans showed up, and it's really not that bad. It's going to be way more expensive depending on how new or important it is, and harder to replace. It'll balance out.

And by the time the Clans hit, you'll just swap out a clan weapon or two when you need to replace that damaged one, or buy one off the market.

Edited by Jack Gallows, 11 April 2012 - 05:15 AM.

[Kudzu]

Jack Gallows, on 11 April 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

It was inevitable that the newer tech would be retconned into earlier timeline with memory cores/etc before the Clans showed up, and it's really not that bad.

How does a novel from 1987 (The Price of Glory) where the Grey Death Legion finds the Helm Memory Core that lead to the eventual reemergence of Star League tech constitute a retconning? Seems to me like it was a preplanned event in the BT timeline.

[Hawkeye 72]

Barring another succession war, the Inner Sphere was on the cusp of a technological revolution when the Clans arrived. No retconning here

[Seabear]

My take is that the mechs from the 3050 TRO had been in development for several tyears before the clan invasion. Several have touched on the HELM Core which really triggered much of the reseazrch that culminated in the 3050TRO. Thedescriptions of the mech indicate that the production lines were in placeand changed hands to the point that models designed for one house were becoming the standard for the house that captured the plant. Remeber the creation of a mech, even a redsign of an established chasis, take a great deal of time to bring to fruttion

[Sassori]

The lostech is finally starting to replace the really crappy 3025 tech in lots of places just when the Clans attack. It's really the only thing that gives Comstar a chance against the Clans is that they're all using lostech mechs and they used Clan Psychology to the fullest advantage they could.

As for Variants, judging from the mechlab blog and suchlike a variant will be it's own unique mech, not just a module slapped in, with completely different hardpoints for weapon customization etc. Something of which I am very very grateful as it removes every mech being an omnimech.

[William Petersen]

That Guy, on 10 April 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

as long as there are down sides to XL engines, im fine with it. and all the new tech is more expensive to buy and maintain

Destruction after losing a single side-torso isn't enough? O.o

Clan XL engines are a bit more durable, you don't lose the Mech instantly, but you still lose 2 engine criticals, which generates an extra 10 heat a turn, and that's still not trivial.

[Stone Profit]

William Petersen, on 11 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Destruction after losing a single side-torso isn't enough? O.o

Clan XL engines are a bit more durable, you don't lose the Mech instantly, but you still lose 2 engine criticals, which generates an extra 10 heat a turn, and that's still not trivial.

Can't wait to get one of those light fusion engines the NAIS has been rumored to have in development. say, 10 years or so canon timeline? two crits per side torso negates the single side torso kill.

[Sassori]

Considering that we're at a 1 for 1 timeline, that's a lot of wait for what is essentially a clan xl engine

[Stone Profit]

Christopher Dayson, on 11 April 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

Considering that we're at a 1 for 1 timeline, that's a lot of wait for what is essentially a clan xl engine

As soon as you find a stock Inner Sphere mech with a Clan XL engine, you let me know, Ill buy five. Until then, without any word on salvage or engine customization you'll likely be waiting longer than I, sir.

Edited by Stone Profit, 11 April 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[Thomas Hogarth]

FWIW:

The AS7-K was developed slowly following lessons learned in the War of 3039 with the prototype tech. The Clans made the Kuritans switch production into overdrive. So you could say accelerated production of the AS7-K was in response to the Clans invading, not the design itself.

[William Petersen]

Stone Profit, on 11 April 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Can't wait to get one of those light fusion engines the NAIS has been rumored to have in development. say, 10 years or so canon timeline? two crits per side torso negates the single side torso kill.

NAIS had nothing to do with the light fusion engine... <.<

[EDMW CSN]

Paladin1, on 11 April 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

Then you won't be getting that sniper Atlas, the tonnage for those ER Larges came from the tonnage freed up by that XL engine. You could still go with an LRM 20 and a Gauss Rifle, but that's all.

If you had a maintenance hangar to do a Class D refit, you can switch all the single heatsinks to DHS and save up the 10 tons for the ER large lasers.
========================================

Atlas AS7-K-M

Mass: 100 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Tournament Legal
Era: Clan Invasion
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-X-D
Production Year: 3051
Cost: 10,788,000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 2,383

Chassis: Foundation Type 10X Standard Standard
Power Plant: Vlar 300 Fusion Engine
Walking Speed: 32.4 km/h
Maximum Speed: 54.0 km/h
Jump Jets: None
Jump Capacity: 0 meters
Armor: Durallex Special Heavy Ferro-Fibrous w/ CASE
Armament:
1 Dragon's Fire Gauss Rifle
1 Doombud LRM-20 w/ Artemis IV FCS
2 Victory Nickel Alloy ER Large Lasers
2 Victory Heartbeat Medium Pulse Lasers
Manufacturer: Independence Weaponry
Primary Factory: Independence
Communications System: Army Comm. Class 5
Targeting and Tracking System: Army Corporation Type 29K

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Internal Structure: Standard 152 points 10.00
Engine: Fusion Engine 300 19.00
Walking MP: 3
Running MP: 5
Jumping MP: 0
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 13(26) 3.00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT
Gyro: Standard 3.00
Cockpit: Standard 3.00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA+H R: SH+UA+LA+H
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 304 17.00
Armor Locations: 5 LA, 5 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL
CASE Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT 1.00

Edited by [EDMW]CSN, 11 April 2012 - 10:51 PM.

[Paladin1]

[EDMW]CSN, on 11 April 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

If you had a maintenance hangar to do a Class D refit, you can switch all the single heatsinks to DHS and save up the 10 tons for the ER large lasers.

Well yeah, you could do that but how many units just happen to have a Class D capable Hanger with them and the time and money to invest in doing this level of refit? Besides, if they're going to go the long range sniper route, why not just switch out the 300 VLAR for a 200 Nisson equipped with DHS and really make it a true sniper? You save an additional 10.5 tons by downgrading the engine like that and you can plow that tonnage right back into additional weapons, such as an additional LRM 20 or more ER LLs.

[Stone Profit]

William Petersen, on 11 April 2012 - 10:14 PM, said:

NAIS had nothing to do with the light fusion engine... <.<

You evidently do not know what the word "Rumor" means

[Omigir]

MajDisaster, on 10 April 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

I can't wait for the clans myself. I've been a member of Clan Ghost Bear here in Denver for years.

I hear Denver gets cold.

Seth, on 10 April 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

The AS7-K was formally introduced in 3049, which is the current year. It was built in response to the formation of the Federated Commonwealth and reintroduction of Lostech. I can see Lostech, which was already being reintroduced at this time, being a highly sought over commodity on the black market.

Yeah, my information is fairly limted : \ at least where I can get it. Every time I heard it mentioned it was usually spoken of as 'in response to'. Probably what they really mean was "Wide spread in response to" or expedited production or some such.

Soviet Alex, on 11 April 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

It's important to explain that Inner Sphere advanced technology does not appear in response to the Clans. It's the other way around. The Clans invade when they do because the Inner Sphere is becoming more high-tech.

Yeah, other wise you end up with people like me who know a bit, but still dont have all the puzzle pieces.

Still.. Denver does get cold.

[Stone Profit]

Soviet Alex, on 11 April 2012 - 01:28 AM, said:

It's important to explain that Inner Sphere advanced technology does not appear in response to the Clans. It's the other way around. The Clans invade when they do because the Inner Sphere is becoming more high-tech.

Thats just not true. Sorry. Comstar is the one trying to keep tech all crappy n junk.
From Sarna.net:
Operation Revival was intended to be the great return of General Kerensky's heirs. Ostensibly, the Clans intended to free the people of the Inner Sphere from the greed and corruption of the constantly warring Successor States, and re-create the great Star League.