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[OrbitalshocK]

hey guys!

ok, fine, maybe there MIGHT be another post but i couldnt find it; yes, i searched.


my question is, between the t16000m (hall sensors, twisty stick, bunch of buttons, i read the amazing post about all the different sticks) and the http://www.bestbuy.c...aitek&cp=1&lp=5

X-52 pro.

the t16000 is 48.99 at my local store, and the x-52 is on sale for 132 at best buy.

NOW, if i get the t16000 which is apparently more accurate, what do i use my keyboard for, in theory? the default keys for mw4, keypad for turning/twisting, 1-9 for speed, [ ] for weapons, was WAY too stretched out for me to comfortably play. therefore, should i get a HOTAS and deal with a less accurate stick, or should i get the t16000m and say a nostromo or something similar.

this will be the first time i've ever used a joystick.

[Viper69]

First let me ask your budget and why you picked those two? Not bashing either but just curious is all. I use all CH product stick/rudder and throttle and love them. Granted you would have 300+ in all 3 but their build is top notch and accuracy as well.
http://www.chproduct...13-p-124.html#5

As for your keyboard, if you go with the x52 dont use it except to type, the X52 will have plenty of buttons and dials for anything you could want to do I recon.

Edited by Viper69, 18 July 2012 - 11:03 AM.

[OrbitalshocK]

hey there. my budget is around 100 bucks, but for the x-52 HOTAS on sale i have a giftcard.

i chose those two because the 16000m was mentioned as one of the most accurate sticks on the market until you get up into the higher quality warthogs, CH products, etc etc. that are out of my pricerange considering i've never played a mech game or any flying game with a joystick(i used a controller or keyboard). i dont know much about hall sensors but the OP of the threads i read make them out to be a big step in joystick technology.


i picked the x-52 pro because it was a HOTAS setup and i thought it would be immersive and make it not such a pain in the &@^ to press buttons. i look down at the keyboard too often if keys are very spread out...which is what worries me about getting a joystick without athrottle.

[NWHHarrier]

Is there any chance you could borrow one from a friend to test it out? If not I would probably suggest the thrustmaster because of the lower price, you may find out you don't like any stick at all.

[River McCain]

This looks interesting

http://splitfish.com...ragfx-shark-360

[Bongo TauKat]

The X52 I just got is fantastic. Four triggers with the main being a two stage, 3 hats for POV, weapons selection and firing modes, and enough buttons and mouse sticks to even start my in cockpit coffee machine! The MFD is kind of a nice reminder to how many hours straight you have been playing, but more importantly allows you to change modes between games or control mapping on the fly.

[darkrei9n]

I have an X-52 and love it. I've had it for years and trust me, its reliable as hell.

[Turbo]

I have am X52 Pro and find it very accurate. With regards to Mech 4, I still use the keyboard, but its mostly for chat/typing or Shutdown overide.

[RudeDogX]

Any of the new or older joysticks HOTAS that have the Hall Sensors should be very precise-- and depending on how much cash u have to spend they can be better than most laser mice--i just purchased the TM Warthog HOTAS and Saitek Combat rudder pedals--the new TARGET Software will allow me to program all buttons and axis-- as far as accuracy ill have to wait and see if the money was well spent or not--either way the fun of driving a Mech is joystick, throtle , and pedals -- just like in the old days at Virtual World

[OrbitalshocK]

well i guess that settles it. HOTAS IT IS! i also just noted that even though it has a spring and plate assembly...it somehow also has Hall sensors (only on the Pro version).

NWHHarrier, on 18 July 2012 - 11:19 AM, said:

Is there any chance you could borrow one from a friend to test it out? If not I would probably suggest the thrustmaster because of the lower price, you may find out you don't like any stick at all.

i get scary when best buy employees don't accept returns from me.

[Moobius]

I plan on picking up the Saitek X52 Pro and use that until the Razer Artemis is release (as long as it lives up to expectations).

[Nachocheese]

you could buy it from amazon, if you dont like it, just send it back.

[Felix Jongleur]

http://www.cyborggam...rod/v5stick.htm

I have this and have really enjoyed it for the price point.

[Strikhedonia]

I have the X52 Pro and I love it. It's comfortable for my hand with every button, trim wheel, and slider available to me. The build quality is cheap and the controller can slip around the desk when the adrenaline is pounding, but the price is worth it.

Just turn the lights down from the control panel. The damn things are bright as hell.

[Viper69]

For 100 bucks its hard to go wrong with the saitek.

[NWHHarrier]

Sarah McCallum, on 18 July 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:

I have the X52 Pro and I love it. It's comfortable for my hand with every button, trim wheel, and slider available to me. The build quality is cheap and the controller can slip around the desk when the adrenaline is pounding, but the price is worth it.

Just turn the lights down from the control panel. The damn things are bright as hell.

Do you find that the joystick 'stifks' alot when you don't apply enough pressure? Like as if the metal disc just under the spring is sticking to the little base that it sits on top of. This is something I run into but my saitek hotas is an older model anyway.

[Major Tom]

I recently ordered the T-16000M because it is the closest thing to my original MS Sidewinder 3d-pro that came bundled with Mechwarrior2 (for windows 95!).
My requirements were
1. Z axis (twisty)
2. a trigger to fire my gun(s)
3. a button to switch weapon groups
4. a button to jump
5. a button to avoid shutdown
6. a throttle dial or lever

Gads I miss that 3d-pro, but I'm sure I can find a use for all those extra buttons, maybe macro one to order me a pizza. Plus the Hall Effects really sold me on it.

[Havoc3D]

Didn't realized the x52 Pro was 3 axis. Have been looking for a 3 axis hotas, as that seems like THE thing for mechwarrior. My Logitech Freedom 2.4 is good, but could sure use some more buttons. I have to keep my keyboard close for lance commands and the like in MW4

[Strikhedonia]

NWHHarrier, on 18 July 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:

Do you find that the joystick 'stifks' alot when you don't apply enough pressure? Like as if the metal disc just under the spring is sticking to the little base that it sits on top of. This is something I run into but my saitek hotas is an older model anyway.

Nope. I was worried about that with a spring and plate setup but the stick has worked without issue. There was a very minor glitch in the z-axis, causing rudder controls to pull slightly left at default. A small dead zone corrected the problem.

[Aullido]

The new line of Thrustmaster´s joysticks share the same programming language and capabilities. So a basic unit has the same functions than a top of the line joystick (Less buttons and some axis). This is important because two axis features: Axis relative will allow you to control the stick like a mouse, the reticle will keep its orientation until you move the stick further. Second, the axis range is customizable. On the fly, you can switch from a lineal axis response to a flat curve, so a big stick traverse only results in a small axis change.