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[Tekerton]

This is nothing more than YET ANOTHER case of self-perceived victim mentality wherein the victim implores the development team to solve the human condition through software solutions designed to favor their individual experience. It's deplorable.

EDIT: And for the record, I haven't done a single coordinated drop. We've used the system as is and still maintained a healthy WLR. How? By having fun beta testing in the lance we showed up in and doing what we do.

Edited by Tekerton, 09 November 2012 - 01:20 PM.

[Riffleman]

F lan Ker, on 09 November 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

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Riffleman, a perfect example. I have been facing REAL premades aka Goons while running a "TS PUG" and guess what? They roflstomped us because of their better TEAM work. But I did not commit suicide or look at my stats. Instead I try to LEARN from what happened to improve my puny gaming skills to be average some day. Ain't it easy to blame Founders, team oriented players or the game or even devs of your OWN shortcomings rather than look in the mirror and think what could be done better?

But I am having fun with fewer teams on the other side, and my game has improved greatly, As for what could be done better, its easy. Make it so that any teams that have qued in the same 2 minutes are guaranteed not to be in the same game. Exploit loophole closed, Game improved. And people looking for real challenge for their team in the form of another team have never been the problem, and arent trying to abuse this loophole for their gain.

[Valore]

Riffleman, on 09 November 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Its funny to read these sad posts which boil down to "haha pgi tried to nurf our pugstomping fun, but we found a way around it! teamwork is king, pugs aerf da scum, we paiz all da billz game shud work way we wants". But you know whats going to be even funnier. Is when half of the 1337 dudez get into real matchmaking vs other teams, and their win/loss plummets to a terrible 50/50 ratio and they cant take it anymore and either commit game sepiku, or continue to double launch with 2 teams so they can feel like big men beating bads.

Its usually the same people defending every choice PGI makes, even when they retract said choice a week later for gross imcompotence reasons. Gold tinted glasses must make it hard to see it for what it is. A game to have fun on. By cheating trying to launch 2 groups to be on the same side for the purpose of thumbing your nose at PGI and at the expense of random players just trying to have a good time where they should never face an overwhelming team in the first place, it just shows their true coward nature. Luckily these type of people tend to leave the game when their advantages are taken away from them. And they go unmissed.

I think its more individually skilled players, who may or may not be complete douchebags themselves (not pointing any fingers here), who have no concept of teamwork, want to be able to continuing massacring other less experienced PUGs, without running the risk of coming up a premade who kicks their arses with teamwork.

You know, the way the game was meant to be played, outside of Clan duels and Solaris.

Its hilarious to see them try to pretend otherwise, and claim that their need for PUG/Premade segregation was so 'new players have a more pleasant experience'.

In my experience, people who have a teamwork ethic are the ones who are more willing to be helpful. Not the individualistic lone wolves who just want to kill other people in an anti-social setting.

Just sayin'.

[Riffleman]

Valore, on 09 November 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

I think its more individually skilled players, who may or may not be complete douchebags themselves (not pointing any fingers here), who have no concept of teamwork, want to be able to continuing massacring other less experienced PUGs, without running the risk of coming up a premade who kicks their arses with teamwork.

You know, the way the game was meant to be played, outside of Clan duels and Solaris.

Its hilarious to see them try to pretend otherwise, and claim that their need for PUG/Premade segregation was so 'new players have a more pleasant experience'.

In my experience, people who have a teamwork ethic are the ones who are more willing to be helpful. Not the individualistic lone wolves who just want to kill other people in an anti-social setting.

Just sayin'.

Your entitled to your view, but seeing as how the developers came to the realization that teams will always win against pugs, and that they should be seperated so its more fair, I would say its probably not the general concensus. And saying that there are rambos out there just salivating at the thought of being the only real force on the battlefield after teams get the boot is silly. Are there people who believe that? Probably. And mabye once in a while they will have a game where they dominate 2 or 3 people. But group or pug lone wolves tend to be in the front lines, and get chewed up, so it evens out.

id say that line of thought is at least as common as overconfident teams that think its their god given right since they went through all the trouble of organizing that PGI serve player after player to them on an open platter. And if they dont agree with the reaming they are getting they can do what they did [REDACTED]. Hmm dont see why that needs to be edited out as a swear.

Edited by RAM, 09 November 2012 - 01:37 PM.
Bypassing Profanity Filter

[MorbidGamer]

First day of patch to nerf 8 man... My first game was with a premade of 2 x 4 groups with the same name with a different number on the end. They got split into each team instead of 1.

Clans do this all the time in world of tanks and it works alot of the time.

So this doesn't surprise me at all.

They need to nerf group size to 2-3 man. That would make it even harder for people to do this.

[Valore]

Riffleman, on 09 November 2012 - 12:29 PM, said:

Your entitled to your view, but seeing as how the developers came to the realization that teams will always win against pugs, and that they should be seperated so its more fair, I would say its probably not the general concensus. And saying that there are rambos out there just salivating at the thought of being the only real force on the battlefield after teams get the boot is silly. Are there people who believe that? Probably. And mabye once in a while they will have a game where they dominate 2 or 3 people. But group or pug lone wolves tend to be in the front lines, and get chewed up, so it evens out.

id say that line of thought is at least as common as overconfident teams that think its their god given right since they went through all the trouble of organizing that PGI serve player after player to them on an open platter. And if they dont agree with the reaming they are getting they can do what they did or G T F O. Hmm dont see why that needs to be edited out as a swear.

The fact you think every lone wolf player is an moron running out to get killed shows that you have a very narrow view on this.

I can get into my Jenner, then go out and pick off new players in things like LRM boats because their teams don't help them. Me being in a PUG or premade makes no difference to the fact that they're going to be really dead.

I'm sure that will give them a fun experience, being hunted down and harrassed by far better players and being left alone to die because their team doesn't really give two... well.

Fact is, PUGs, as a fighting unit, are inherently flawed. Dragging premades down to their level like they've currently done, is simply a lousy solution. Its one that makes no one happy.

[F lan Ker]

S!

No, remove these features: teaming up, comms and online. Instead add single player ONLY and of course OFFLINE with NPC mechs to shoot. Problem solved!

[BlackAce]

I've done enough pugging to know how much it sucks when you run up against a 8 man team and simply can't compete with their teamwork. But I've also VOIP'ed enough to know it's a 1000% better experience.

Why? Well for starters its more fun and a better social experience. None of the guys I drop with regularly are people I knew 2-3 months ago. I've made friends and had fun, much more fun than as a pug.

If you're so anti-social you refuse to use a VOIP, don't complain that others refuse to adopt the same solo handicap in a team game.

I enjoy dropping as a four and fighting against 4 of my friends and the current matchmaker allows me to do that. If you want to get sore about it go ahead, but until a Dev steps in this thread and declares it an exploit, I'll keep on doing it.

Edited by BlackAce, 09 November 2012 - 01:08 PM.

[lordlazarus]

we just waitin ..........................

[Wildcat]

Jun Watarase, on 09 November 2012 - 01:00 AM, said:

Support has already confirmed it is an exploit. Why are people still trying to justify their exploiting?

"Hey officer, i know you said it's a crime, but i totally disagree that it's a crime man...just let me go okay?"

Devs are Tracking Exploits, and Dishing out Punishment on repeat Offenders

Twisted Power, on 09 November 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

"Clever use of game mechanics"

"Clever use of an Exploit, that the Devs are Tracking and Punishing Offenders"

Fixed

[lordlazarus]

prove its an exploit . when i see a dev or moderator say dont do this please in an offical locking post of this thread then ill conceed .

[Name115734]

I second that, if we are asked by a mod to stop, I for one have no problems in stopping.

The point that continues to be missed though, is that we are dropping AGAINST each other more often than not. As well, we have more fun with those games than when we drop as a single team.

Edited by No Remorse, 09 November 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[Ter Ushaka]

Having friends and communication devices are OP.

Nerf social skills TIA.

[Wildcat]

It is exploiting the Game Mechanics to Gain an Advantage over others...... its that Simple...

The current Match Making System has Flaws and players are exploiting the System to Gain an Advantage... I have no problem if its fair with 2 groups of 4 Clanmates on each side, but when you force the system to make 2 groups of 4 on one side, then that is an Exploit of the Game Mechanics........

No game Company Tolerates Exploits to their Game Mechanics and PGI is no Different...

Edited by Wildcat, 09 November 2012 - 01:51 PM.

[lordlazarus]

" but when you force the system to make 2 groups of 4 on one side, then that is an Exploit of the Game Mechanics........"

the system forces us to play with pugs .. that's the ONLY force being applied here

Edited by lordlazarus, 09 November 2012 - 01:57 PM.

[Ter Ushaka]

Does this allow these people to one-shot other users, enable developer-only commands, or otherwise break how the game works?

[Wildcat]

lordlazarus, on 09 November 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

" but when you force the system to make 2 groups of 4 on one side, then that is an Exploit of the Game Mechanics........"

the system forces us to play with pugs .. that's the ONLY force being applied here

in other words 2 Groups of the same Guild... which = Exploit of the Game Mechanics to gain an Advantage over others...

[Ter Ushaka]

Are they hacking the client to get this advantage?

[lordlazarus]

we finally dropped 8vs 8 closed group on ts and i got my face smashed in by some one who was a crack shot with a gauss . i regularly die on the field whether its premade or pug its just funnier on ts when your mates are doing it you give it out and you take it . ....

" which = Exploit of the Game Mechanics to gain an Advantage over others..." not so: i never seek to gain an unfair advantage . this is YOUR assumtion of our motives ... not OUR reason for using this play style . to quote a pug earlier i played with " your not the boss of me "

Edited by lordlazarus, 09 November 2012 - 02:05 PM.

[BlackAce]

Wildcat, on 09 November 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

It is exploiting the Game Mechanics to Gain an Advantage over others...... its that Simple...

What? When were fighting each other? ooooo kkkkk.