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[Weiland]

Yeah. And when you're really infamous for being a d*ckhead, people will remember you until the day you die.

[Freeride Forever]

Weiland, on 09 November 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

Funny thing, that. I told them, "Despite what I do for people in this community, I'll never be noticed for it"

Like what?

Weiland, on 09 November 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

And then today, I find someone in a match:

"Weiland. Aren't you the guy that was TKing people just like yesterday or something?" If only I could get them to remember the date correctly, I'd be a freaking prophet.

Oh I hope that's not me you're talking about Weiland, 'cuz if it is, either your memory is worse than "them" or you're lying (recently doesn't mean yesterday, or does it?), or more than one person remembers you. I wonder how many accounts you have.

I also hope you didn't confess to it here just now 'cuz you were remembered & thought you wouldn't be. I didn't report you for it, but I'll bet someone did. I suppose if you're known for it it makes you look a bit suspicious though huh?

For the record, I remember some players I've PUG'd with that I thought were decent, Lefty Lucy, Violette, Bryan Kerensky just off the top of my head. Either because they made the effort to organize the group, or because they exhibited very non-douchey behavior towards the opposing team. Some I just remember 'cuz their names stand out, like Jewface, who's now "Jewboy" 'cuz apparently PGI finds Jew faces offensive? "Dixie Normous", or something like that wins MWO 'cuz that's the best name I've seen in it so far. Anyways, don't worry about how awesome you are Weil, sometimes its just the amount of experience a person has around you that makes them remember you. If I see you do something worth crediting I'll give you the cred you "deserve". If you see me see you do something worth crediting & I don't give you the props you "deserve", make sure you let me know, K?

wuselfuzz, on 09 November 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

Thinking about that, even this thread is giving Mr. Teamkiller too much attention.

Probably, Weil did indicate he wants attention.

Now as far as any TKing goes, I find it rare, but I think the guy that the OP is talking about might've been on the opposing team in the match I was in maybe an hour ago or a bit more (which is what led me here), because after Weil explained that he & his posse were doing it on the last day of CB I was thinking, "oh yeah, probably won't see that happen now with no more resets, I remember he mentioned "an experiment" or something when he tried to kill me after our Raven that one day". Well, Weil, it's just such a coincidence that shortly (maybe 45 minutes or so, I guess) after I got out've a match with you & asked you about your team kills there was a TKer in a match I was in. Coincidence I'm sure. Oh by the way where were you at approximately................ LOL just kidding.

Seriously though, I wonder if some people might do it just because there's so little to do in the game otherwise. Maybe it has something to do with boredom 'cuz there's not really much to do in game besides shoot some mechs on the same 4 maps and/or stand next to some kind of oil rig (or w/e it is). Or am I just giving the douchebags too much "credit"?

Oh $h|t Weil, I just thought of it brah!!!! You did do something for me!!!!! I'm surprised I didn't think of it 'til now. Ever since that day when you alpha struck our Raven in the back & killed it with that one shot, I back the fu<k up immediately & hit the JJ's if I see anyone dropping near & behind me. Hasn't been necessary so far, but it's a good precaution. I owe you for that.

That brings me to my idea, not a great one but might help. Maybe what they could do is start the match with all mechs in a different configuration. Could be anything, 4 back to back with 4, lights/meds behind heavies/assaults, an outward facing circle, or just a straight line. At least it would stop immediate alphas to the back, which Weil demonstrated to me (thanks again Weil) is probably the most devastating. Weakest armor, can't see behind, no time to know what's happening etc. In the one tonight, the TKer on the other team had a guy down as soon as the timer stopped & the match started. Had to be an alpha to the back. Then dropped two more right after. No doubt a trial Fatlas, but must've been a somewhat competent pilot to get 3 kills that fast, unless the starting arrangement just favored such a thing, or maybe they had an AFK. "Lord" knows a good "death strike" from even a trial Fatlas could drop a few light mechs in no time if they hit in the right spot.

Yeah so it's rare. I'd rather see PGI get some new & bigger maps, some more game modes, some more immersive deets in & the constant bugs out, than be worrying about this. Despite what PGI wants us to think by removing the counter, there ain't that many people playing & I think it's a lack of $h|t to do. Weil you with me on that?

Edited by Freeride Forever, 11 November 2012 - 12:07 AM.

[checker]

PGI could implement an easy fix for this. They can put a damage register in related to only friendly mechs; for example, when the game detects that a member of the same team has inflicted a given amount of damage on another member their mech instantly dies. No questions, no warning just BOOM they are gone from the match.

[Zulu Alpha Irish]

checker, on 09 November 2012 - 04:58 AM, said:

PGI could implement an easy fix for this. They can put a damage register in related to only friendly mechs; for example, when the game detects that a member of the same team has inflicted a given amount of damage on another member their mech instantly dies. No questions, no warning just BOOM they are gone from the match.

or turn friendly fire off? that works for a lot of other games.

[Imagine Dragons]

Kinda defeats the purpose of keeping one enemy between you and others in order to curb their fire...

[Freeride Forever]

Assegia, on 09 November 2012 - 05:04 AM, said:

or turn friendly fire off? that works for a lot of other games.

I partially agree. I actually wanted to make a suggestion about this a looooong time ago & forgot about it. If we have mechs that can identify friend or foe, then why would a weapon fire when the reticle is on a friendly? I don't think FF should be removed, if someone walks into or is in the "sweep" of an already burning laser or a set of missles in flight then they should still do damage. I suppose missles could disarm if they could detect a friendly in the way but BT missles ain't that smart & we wouldn't want PGI to start sinnin' against the BT doctrine now would we? Only prob I could see might be a case that I'd think would be rare where you need to lead a target to hit it & one of yer brahs is in the way when you need to fire but would be out've the way by the time the projectile gets there if they continued in the direction they're traveling. Small price to pay for reducing the amount of FF in what I think is a logical way I'd say.

[FerretGR]

scius, on 09 November 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

A griefer essentially loses nothing by getting banned. He can easily create a new account and continue.

A regular player that have accumulated resources and potentially spent real money on the game, stand to lose all of that if they get banned for retaliating.

This means that griefing carries essentially no penalty, but defending yourself from it does.

I dropped with 6 of my friends last week, and the 8th player, a PUG, decided he was going to try to kill me. My team jumped in and killed him quickly. When I reported this to support@mwomercs.com, I described the situation, and explained that yes, our PUG player was killed, but he fired first, and we were defending ourselves. Support "supported" us:

"Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will follow-up with this user privately and will be monitoring for future reports about him."

So it's okay to retaliate and defend yourself. Just be sure to file that report so that they don't report you.

I should point out that I took a screenshot which showed the system announcing the griefer's death, and damage to my rear, at 14:30 in the match. I'm sure that helped. Get MSI Afterburner for vids and screens.

[I Just Ate Your Grapes Bro]

Strip all his weapons off of him, take out one of his legs and watch him hobble around unable to do anything the rest of the match. Or, if you don't mind, kill him and take the 15k loss... Vigilantism is the best medicine for an intentional TKer...

Weiland, on 09 November 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Not really. I try to help out new players quite often, but I rarely hear of it. The only people who tend to see me in a positive manner these days are the dudes on Comstar Relay EU. You all know who you are.

"I didn't get enough thank-yous so I'm going to spend some time killing people on my own team that likely won't shoot back because they either gave me the benefit of the doubt, or are aware that all they are doing is harming their team by engaging with me"

Poor you................................ This must be your first internet experience, it's always been/will always be a thankless place.

Edited by Ehrithane, 09 November 2012 - 05:59 AM.

[Taiji]

Weiland, on 09 November 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

Not really. I try to help out new players quite often, but I rarely hear of it. The only people who tend to see me in a positive manner these days are the dudes on Comstar Relay EU. You all know who you are.

Only time I ever see you in the education channel on that server is when we're waiting for a patch.

And here in the forums: I've only noticed you trolling PGI by complimenting the obviously broken pug v premades fiasco.

Heh. Some 'helper'

Edited by Taiji, 09 November 2012 - 08:29 AM.

[Alex Miller]

Sean von Steinike, on 09 November 2012 - 02:42 AM, said:

The obvious answer is, don't PUG,

How do you want to play the game if you DONT PUG?

[Taryys]

Just report him and let the devs handle it.

This post talks about these sorts of things: Stop Hazing and Start Raising...

[Taryys]

oh and ...


[Guide] Playing with Friends, Groups, and Teams

[FrostPaw]

This happens because of trial mechs, free repairs, free ammo, no downside. Warned of this during closed beta, not a toss given.

You can't ban ******** in a free game, they just make a new account and start all over again, the best thing you can do is ignore them, if nobody pays attention to them, gets upset and becomes a team killer too, they have no enjoyment at all. How quickly would team killing get boring if nobody even noticed you existed? That's what you need to do make their choice of gameplay boring, not sink to their level and make it more rewarding/notice and get vocal.

If you react to them, you're doing exactly what they want you to do, you aren't "showing them" they're showing you.

[Imagine Dragons]

Taryys, on 09 November 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

oh and ...


[Guide] Playing with Friends, Groups, and Teams

-sigh- and I was going to screenshot the first post...

[Taryys]

not sure what that means, but... thanks?

XenomorphZZ, on 09 November 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

-sigh- and I was going to screenshot the first post...

[Freeride Forever]

Ehrithane, on 09 November 2012 - 05:50 AM, said:

"I didn't get enough thank-yous so I'm going to spend some time killing people on my own team that likely won't shoot back because they either gave me the benefit of the doubt, or are aware that all they are doing is harming their team by engaging with me"

Poor you................................ This must be your first internet experience, it's always been/will always be a thankless place.

Lots of people help others when they ask for it. Most of us just don't expect a hero cookie for it . I find anyone I've answered a question for usually shows some appreciation in a match. In one match I remember someone new was asking about some stuff & lots of people chipped in with advice & the new player was surprised & commented on how helpful everyone was & that a lot of games fail because there are too many a$$holes in their communities. By now that person's probably seen that we've got our fair share of them too. Some would say I'm one of them sometimes I'm sure. I usually thank someone for their advice if I had time, sometimes even if I didn't ask for it. At the same time I'm rarely hesitant to $h|t on someone if I think they deserve it. I just don't go around $h|tting on people for no reason nor do I expect a shrine built for me if I told someone how to group their weapons. I think that's how most of us are. Good ol' Wiki says HPD (Histrionic Personality Disorder) has a prevalence of 2-3 percent in the gen pop. Some of them probably exist in here too.

FrostPaw, on 09 November 2012 - 07:06 AM, said:

You can't ban ******** in a free game, they just make a new account and start all over again, the best thing you can do is ignore them, if nobody pays attention to them, gets upset and becomes a team killer too, they have no enjoyment at all. How quickly would team killing get boring if nobody even noticed you existed? That's what you need to do make their choice of gameplay boring, not sink to their level and make it more rewarding/notice and get vocal.

If you react to them, you're doing exactly what they want you to do, you aren't "showing them" they're showing you.

In the case that this thread was started over, the douche made their account earlier that day (3 days ago, so yeah it was probably made just to TK), it was last active yesterday @ 3:30 PM, despite claims people made that they we're gonna report it & wuselfuzz did.

I don't know about you, but I won't ignore a pr|ck who's trying to kill me. He'll kill me! I'm still young!!! I got so much to live for!!! I'm not gonna let a pr|ck kill his own team either if they did nothing to provoke it. I think some steps could be taken, like the mech won't fire if the Xhair is on a friendly (sorta like a Streak won't fire at all without a lock) or if most of the damage done to a dead mech was by one of its own then the mech that did the damage could shut down permanently. Would I be wrong in assuming that the only way that could happen is if someone was trying to hit their own team member? I know some people are pretty bad shots, but if they're bad, they wouldn't be likely to accidently do more damage to their own team any more than to the enemy would they?

I mentioned in another post above (probably TL) about boredom. I'm not sure why anyone could ever find TKing fun, but since you mentioned boredom, that's what gets me wondering if it's just that there's little to do in the game. I like playing it but I can see how peeps would find what little there is to do, to be getting pretty old. Especially if they've been in since CB. So I figure it's either that, or some kind of attention whor3 personality disorder. Any attention's better than no attention for some people I suppose.

I certainly hope it's not any Founders doing it because it'd be pretty fu<king stupid to be helping to turn off players to a game if you already spent money on it before much of it has even been completed. If new players leave because of it, it only hurts everyone who gives a $h|t about this.

Edited by Freeride Forever, 11 November 2012 - 12:14 AM.

[the huanglong]

Weiland, on 09 November 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

Wait, I thought it was those horrible nasty mean Premades that were harassing those innocent PUGs? Now I'm hearing that in fact the PUGs are really the offenders most of the time - not to mention, most of them are still getting creamed even without going up against the dreaded8-man premade.

Who knew.

Funny，I seem to recall reporting you and your premade for teamkilling at the end of closed beta. Guess reporting griefers does not work after all.

[slackermagee]

LoL, I think I was there during this...

Started with one/both of the TK'd players firing an AC10/20 and more than one mLas into the back armor of the atlas pilot who... had probably had more than enough of idiots 'test firing' in the base.

[Eltyr]

I've only seen an intentional tk once in over 200 matches, along with hearing about a few unintentional ones, and seeing one. It just isn't that common. Thus, I like friendly fire being in for the tactical changes it forces. Do I get upset when a teammate hits me with an alpha? Yeah. Has it been an issue? No.

[Freeride Forever]

the huanglong, on 10 November 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Funny，I seem to recall reporting you and your premade for teamkilling at the end of closed beta. Guess reporting griefers does not work after all.

LOL so it looks like I'm not the only one who remembered. However in the match I was in with him, it was only him in a Cat. No one else was actually TKing, but maybe his crew was just along for the ride.

I just noticed the post where he admitted to enjoying TKing has been deleted. Why? It wasn't derogatory or inflammatory & if he's willing to admit it 'cuz he knows people remember him, then it's good for everyone to know that he enjoys it isn't it? At least anyone who's aware can get the fu<k outta the way if they see his name pop up on their team. I wouldn't expect someone who's spent that much $ on the game before it's even got half the $h|t that it's supposed to would be wanting to turn people off to it, but at the same time, stranger things happen. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that such a person may have just failed to think about it that way rather than not care.

I bet a Legendary Founder is not as likely to face any consequences for it as someone who's spent nothing on the game.

Edited by Freeride Forever, 11 November 2012 - 12:02 AM.