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[Mason Grimm]

I believe it is Paul who will be doing this post clarifying things.

[Dihm]

Mason Grimm, on 27 April 2012 - 08:36 AM, said:

I believe it is Paul who will be doing this post clarifying things.

Bryan Ekman, on 25 April 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

Sorry for the delay on my write up. Hoping to get it done today. Lots on the go in the office today.

This would lead me to believe it is Bryan... I just misspoke earlier. I'm used to awesomeness coming from Garth so it just slips in at times.

Edited by Dihm, 27 April 2012 - 08:38 AM.

[Tyr Gunn]

Cool, whoever it is, I hope it happens soon. I think I've actually broken the edge of my seat at this point.

[Thorn Hallis]

Tyr Gunn, on 27 April 2012 - 08:34 AM, said:

Wait, who exactly is going to be clarifying things? Bryan, Paul or Garth? I've seen all three names now, but only Bryan ever said he would elucidate.

I thought Dhims wife would do it? Now I'm confused.

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 27 April 2012 - 08:50 AM.

[Dihm]

She's busy cleaning for the expected weekend company, you may not get a response for a while.

[Chuckie]

I have a feeling the powers that be will drag this out for a while..

If one were to take a wildly speculative guess.. I'll go with Wed May 2nd sometime around noon EST.

[Kylarus]

I'm still thinking that all these groups that want to be members of Canon merc units, Houses and Clans should be able to get sponsorships by the group of their choice. That way, while you can't be General of the Wolf's Dragoons, Grey Death Legion or Northwind Highlanders, your specific regiment or company can fight under their colors/flag, be counted as a member and still maintain their own identity. Depending on levels of intel, the enemy, on picking the mission, would see oh, this is a Kurita vs Steiner mission, supported by GDL on one side. If they had more info, they might see that "Oh, this isn't any GDL unit, this is Faceflayers, that newbsquad. Glad they took up precious tonnage," or "Crap, this is 16th Assault Squad, of the GDL. They're really hardcore." The Steiner unit hiring the GDL mercs (The players working for Steiner) would know the makeup of the GDL and may have an option to deny the drop to a GDL-sponsored group based solely on the MRB rating of the merc company and only if they didn't meet the threshold for the mission.

[Riptor]

People should remember that "claiming" a name means jack squat

Just because you claimed the name Smoke jaguar for example is not going to stop any other unit from naming themselves something similiar and "claim" that they are the true smoke jaguars.

This whole debatte boils down on control... big names wanting to control everything is how i see it. But this isnt some player driven league, with no input from the developers of the game. It is not the players who will call the shots but the Devs.

The truth is that players will control NOTHING outside their units. You will not get to decide where your faction will strike next. Only where your unit will strike next for example.

Players have no influence or special status over other units depending on who came first or who has the most faction points or who has the biggest guild or who put a website up the first.

Inside your merc unit/house unit whatever you might call the shots as a leader.. but no player will have any commanding rights over units that are not their own nor over the entirety of a single faction especialy with the clans.

Claiming that you are Clan wolf and expecting that you get to command around everyone that wants to fight for clan wolf (the faction) is just as moronic as claiming that someone is the Draconis combine and thus should hold command over anyone fighting for the DC, just because they named their unit like the faction. They are ingame factions you can fight FOR.. but you are NOT said faction. Everyone from a lone wolf to house units to mercs can fight for a faction no matter if someone claimed that faction name for themselves. Per ingame rules you will just be another unit fighting for your choosen faction no matter your name.

So for everyone that thinks they will be the big cheese because they claimed a Canon name.. tough luck... to the people that "claimed" names because of RP or whatever other reason that doesnt influence other players out side their unit, sure go ahead, knock yourselfe out... just remember that the name choice of your units has absolutely no meaning in game mechanics.

Face it.. names are nothing but smoke and mirrors in this game.

Edited by Riptor, 27 April 2012 - 10:10 AM.

[Salesninja]

Riptor, on 27 April 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

People should remember that "claiming" a name means jack squat

Just because you claimed the name Smoke jaguar for example is not going to stop any other unit from naming themselves something similiar and "claim" that they are the true smoke jaguars.

This whole debatte boils down on control... big names wanting to control everything is how i see it. But this isnt some player driven league, with no input from the developers of the game. It is not the players who will call the shots but the Devs.

The truth is that players will control NOTHING outside their units. You will not get to decide where your faction will strike next. Only where your unit will strike next for example.

Players have no influence or special status over other units depending on who came first or who has the most faction points or who has the biggest guild or who put a website up the first.

Inside your merc unit/house unit whatever you might call the shots as a leader.. but no player will have any commanding rights over units that are not their own nor over the entirety of a single faction especialy with the clans.

Claiming that you are Clan wolf and expecting that you get to command around everyone that wants to fight for clan wolf (the faction) is just as moronic as claiming that someone is the Draconis combine and thus should hold command over anyone fighting for the DC, just because they named their unit like the faction. They are ingame factions you can fight FOR.. but you are NOT said faction. Everyone from a lone wolf to house units to mercs can fight for a faction no matter if someone claimed that faction name for themselves. Per ingame rules you will just be another unit fighting for your choosen faction no matter your name.

So for everyone that thinks they will be the big cheese because they claimed a Canon name.. tough luck... to the people that "claimed" names because of RP or whatever other reason that doesnt influence other players out side their unit, sure go ahead, knock yourselfe out... just remember that the name choice of your units has absolutely no meaning in game mechanics.

Face it.. names are nothing but smoke and mirrors in this game.

Wow. Think there are a lot of blanket statements here tha really don't apply to the majority of discussion in this thread. Names are smoke and mirrors? Really? We can see you want to make sure you aren't bossed around and that's all fine and good. But there are a lot of people here these names mean a lot to. I don't see anyone in this thread claiming sole ownership of anything. I see a lot of people that want to get some clarification. This is evryone' playground. It's not yours it's not mine. It's ours. The devs are going to give us the rules we can play by. People should be excited about it, not tellin other people what the can or can't do or think. Unreal.


This game is WAY more than just mech on the ground. It's a tribute to all of us and our love for the universe. You want to think that way that's fine but expecting the rest of us to not care or want to be a part of something more than a mech simulator in just wrong. Let us have our playground.

Edited by Salesninja, 27 April 2012 - 11:51 AM.

[Jaroth Corbett]

Riptor, on 27 April 2012 - 10:08 AM, said:

People should remember that "claiming" a name means jack squat

Just because you claimed the name Smoke jaguar for example is not going to stop any other unit from naming themselves something similiar and "claim" that they are the true smoke jaguars.

Claiming that you are Clan wolf and expecting that you get to command around everyone that wants to fight for clan wolf (the faction) is just as moronic as claiming that someone is the Draconis combine and thus should hold command over anyone fighting for the DC, just because they named their unit like the faction. They are ingame factions you can fight FOR.. but you are NOT said faction. Everyone from a lone wolf to house units to mercs can fight for a faction no matter if someone claimed that faction name for themselves. Per ingame rules you will just be another unit fighting for your choosen faction no matter your name.

So for everyone that thinks they will be the big cheese because they claimed a Canon name.. tough luck... to the people that "claimed" names because of RP or whatever other reason that doesnt influence other players out side their unit, sure go ahead, knock yourselfe out... just remember that the name choice of your units has absolutely no meaning in game mechanics.

Agreed, which is why I say use sub-units. Not only do you get to keep your claim as Clan (XYZ) or IS House (ABC), but you also get to keep your command structure in place.

[Tyr Gunn]

Salesninja, on 27 April 2012 - 11:47 AM, said:

Wow. Think there are a lot of blanket statements here tha really don't apply to the majority of discussion in this thread. Names are smoke and mirrors? Really? We can see you want to make sure you aren't bossed around and that's all fine and good. But there are a lot of people here these names mean a lot to. I don't see anyone in this thread claiming sole ownership of anything. I see a lot of people that want to get some clarification. This is evryone' playground. It's not yours it's not mine. It's ours. The devs are going to give us the rules we can play by. People should be excited about it, not tellin other people what the can or can't do or think. Unreal.


This game is WAY more than just mech on the ground. It's a tribute to all of us and our love for the universe. You want to think that way that's fine but expecting the rest of us to not care or want to be a part of something more than a mech simulator in just wrong. Let us have our playground.

Oh! Thank you. I posted a reply when I saw his post, but I decided to delete it righf after I posted it because I couldn't find a way post it without getting stabby. So thank you for putting it the way you did here.

I will repeat one thing I said; the post gave me Deja Vu. I could have sworn be posted it earlier in the thread.

[Sassori]

Eh he's got a point. This whole thing started with multiple people claiming to be Kahn, saKhan, ilKhan or whatever of the same Clan (which makes no sense by any standpoint really) so it's not just blanket statements.

Take for example: Northwind Highlands, Black Widow Company, Gray Death Legion, Khell Hounds, etc.

If someone takes Eridani Light Horse (A well famed Merc Company in BT history even if perhaps not the most popular) what gives them the right to say someone else can't be in the Eridani Light Horse? That's why this whole name claiming thing is an issue.

While I think it's cool that the Highlanders for example are trying to make a point that they're only part of the Highlanders it'd be real easy to mistake them for trying to be the whole highlanders just based on signatures alone.

This is why I, personally, think /all/ the book Mercenary Companies should either be A) Completely offlimits or B ) Treated as a IS House. Though really, I can't think of a single merc unit that has /hundreds/ of mech's... There was always more Mechwarriors than Machines which for me, points to the 'Make your own merc group already and be original' side of the fence.

Anyways... hopefully it'll actually get clarified soon.

[Riptor]

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Eh he's got a point. This whole thing started with multiple people claiming to be Kahn, saKhan, ilKhan or whatever of the same Clan (which makes no sense by any standpoint really) so it's not just blanket statements.

Precisely, some people in this thread where also going on about how they are "Clan XYZ" just cause they "claimed" the name.

And if someone says something like that.. that they are "THE" clan or "THE" house or "THE" unit because they claimed that name first then its all about power to control everyone who wants to play as said clan/faction/unit

Theres nothing fancy about that.

On the other hand i did stated that if you take such a name for your unit simply because youre a fan of this or that unit, for RP or anything else that does not influence players outside your unit... sure no problem with that.

But it seemed to me that some people where getting the wrong idea here, just because you have "claimed" a name for your unit does not make you the faction. And from what i read in this thread several people seem to just do that, assume that because their unit name is the same name as a faction that they somehow automatically become the faction.

And those people needed a little wake-up call in my eyes before this gets out of hand.

And aparantly i did hit a nerve or two with that because if i didnt people wouldnt feel attacked by my statement, and they should think about that for a moment.

Edited by Riptor, 27 April 2012 - 01:44 PM.

[Korbyn McColl]

Let's be honest here:

Anyone claiming sole proprietorship of a canon unit is a moron.

That said, while you may be able to find a handful of examples of said individuals, the reality is that the vast majority of the units out there seeking to affiliate themselves with a canon unit are making no such claims. In most cases, they are collecting together under a single banner and trying to get organized. If the devs permit them to use the unit name they desire, yes, they will do so. And why not? If, for instance, the name Eridani Light Horse is not locked by the devs and several dozen fans of ELH have collected together here and begun organizing with the intent to form a merc unit affiliated with ELH, why should they not attempt to use the real unit name if it is made available to players? If they don't, I guarantee you that someone else will.

Will the devs decide to lock all canon units? Or will they opt to only lock major players in the current timeline (3049-3055ish)? We'll find out soon enough. But if they do lock all canon units, they need to try to come up with some way to accommodate a very large percentage of their player base who have grown accustomed to playing canon units in both the tabletop games and in numerous online leagues.

Because, again, being completely honest...it is the rich lore and the depth of connection players feel with the universe and their preferred factions that makes MechWarrior more than just some 'mech simulator.

[Carl Wrede]

One way would be to treat all the canon merc units as House units. No player controlls them but you can become a part of them if you get enough "loyalty points".

[guardian wolf]

Cruiser, on 23 April 2012 - 11:03 AM, said:

Pfff. Only weaklings lay claim to names.

I will have you all whisper the name "Cruiser" with hushed voices and cold-sweat within weeks of the beta starting. And I will do so the hard way.

Listen well warrior, hunt me, and you shall learn who the real hunter is, may your battles be glorious, your bloddlust sated, and that we will always have the luxury of being allies, because I would hate to have to put you in your place.

[FinnMcKool]

StaggerCheck, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

That is all well and good, Mason, but I think the major concern I have here would be... who else would want to be in the Gray Death Legion? Was it hard to get into the Legion? Was there a test or a form to fill out? Is it exclusive to a group of people and/or a popularity contest? What if Joe Blowhard, the most annoying Gray Death Legion fanboy on the planet, wants into your group... do you accept him or turn him away? If you turn him away, what gave you the right to be part of the Grey Death Legion in the first place, thus being able to exclude Mr. Blowhard?

Not trying to be a jerk, just pointing out the obvious.

They took me. all you have to do is want to be on a team .


now if I could only get that MW4MERC working.

Edited by FinnMcKool, 27 April 2012 - 06:23 PM.

[Sporklift]

All I care about is if you claim a group like the Wolfspiders, you had better be prepared to live up to the name. Nothing like joining a storied unit only to find out its full of scrubs and mouth-breathers.

I also question the wisdom of claiming to be a Smoke Jaguar Khan, seems like it would leave you open to a lot of trolling from IS units (particularly House Kurita). I suppose the decision was to be different. Honestly I would have chosen the Minnesota Tribe.

[Monky]

I think the solution is simple;

I claim all clans, houses, merc units, etc.

Now, like this post, and those who give the most likes recieve rights to the groups they want from me.

See? Simple.

[SilentWolff]

Bryan tweeted this morning that he had his wisdom teeth removed and was recovering, but was getting ready to write the response you all are so eagerly waiting for.