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[Vividos]

so there are people posting here saying that if the cicada hero mech gets ECM it would be Pay-to-Win.

i have difficulty understanding this because there are already 4 mechs in game that you can buy with c-bills and equip ecm.

if you buy one of those mechs with c-bills did you just pay-to-win? via in game currency?

WHY would using MC to purchase a mech that has ecm be pay-to-win but not every single other mech with ecm?

are these posters really struggling with a complete and utter lack of intelligence or is there something im missing here?

[Jestun]

If it is the best choice for an ECM mech, and it is only available via MC, then it will be.

If it's just another option which isn't inherently better than the other ECM mechs, then it won't be.

[ArmandTulsen]

Who's this logic? I didn't know logic could have an opinion.

[Star Colonel Mustard Kerensky]

There is the running rumor that it will also have/be able to have streaks (the headlight looking things on the front look somewhat like missilebay doors) And if you add ECM to that it will simply become a larger/ more heavily armored raven 3L. Knocking the 3L off of it's throne of king of the anklebiters, but replacing it with something harder to kill.

[Yokaiko]

Astroniomix, on 02 March 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

There is the running rumor that it will also have/be able to have streaks (the headlight looking things on the front look somewhat like missilebay doors) And if you add ECM to that it will simply become a larger/ more heavily armored raven 3L. Knocking the 3L off of it's throne of king of the anklebiters, but replacing it with something harder to kill.

Did you just say Cicadas are harder to kill.


Afraid I have to beg to differ there.

M A L I C E, on 02 March 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

P2W crybabies are really extreme here.

I personally don't understand it at all, other than they're simply jealous that there is something they want to own that they can't afford.

There really doesn't seem to be any other rationale.

Anything that could possibly make PGI not a charity operation WHHAAAAAAAAA I MAY HAVE TO SPEND MONIES !!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!11!!

Edited by Yokaiko, 02 March 2013 - 08:13 AM.

[Star Colonel Mustard Kerensky]

Yokaiko, on 02 March 2013 - 08:12 AM, said:

Did you just say Cicadas are harder to kill.


Afraid I have to beg to differ there.

It has more armor, I personaly don't find them harder to kill, I'm just explaining the "logic" behind people saying giving the thing ECM would make it P2W.

EDIT: I take it back, they ARE harder to kill. Still killable if you know what you are doing, but they do require a little more damage.

Edited by Astroniomix, 02 March 2013 - 08:15 AM.

[Marduk Moreau]

ArmandTulsen, on 02 March 2013 - 08:09 AM, said:

Who's this logic? I didn't know logic could have an opinion.

Logic is a Beautiful bird, that sing badly.

M A L I C E, on 02 March 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

P2W crybabies are really extreme here.

I personally don't understand it at all, other than they're simply jealous that there is something they want to own that they can't afford.

There really doesn't seem to be any other rationale.

Isn't this like complaining that I have to pay for DLC?

[Chunkylad]

M A L I C E, on 02 March 2013 - 08:11 AM, said:

P2W crybabies are really extreme here.

I personally don't understand it at all, other than they're simply jealous that there is something they want to own that they can't afford.

There really doesn't seem to be any other rationale.

It doesn't even seem to be so much not affording it. It just is that they are too damn cheap to spend $20-$30 on a mech. PGI has to make their money somehow or there is no P2W or F2P. I don't get why people think FREE TO PLAY means that everything is available for free.

[Yokaiko]

Astroniomix, on 02 March 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

It has more armor, I personaly don't find them harder to kill, I'm just explaining the "logic" behind people saying giving the thing ECM would make it P2W.

EDIT: I take it back, they ARE harder to kill. Still killable if you know what you are doing, but they do require a little more damage.

Cicadas are WAY WAY easier to kill bigger target that isn't always speed capped without the Raven's buggy *** hit boxes.

[FupDup]

Astroniomix, on 02 March 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

It has more armor, I personaly don't find them harder to kill, I'm just explaining the "logic" behind people saying giving the thing ECM would make it P2W.

They also have a much larger body size (larger hitboxes) and better hit registration (I use Ravens exclusively, I know how buggy they can be at times).

[skullman86]

We don't even know what hardpoints it gets. ECM alone wouldn't really be P2W because we already have an ECM capable cicada, but if it got missile hardpoints on top of that, it would probably become one of (if not) the most powerful mediums currently in-game.

ECM on an MC variant when there are no c-bill variants with ECM available for the chassis is pushing the envelope IMO. Hero mechs are not supposed to have a serious upper hand over the rest of their chassis' variants, and if the hero is the only one with ECM, it will likely overshadow the rest of the bunch.

...just imagine that the 3L had actually been a hero mech and you will understand why people might be worried about a fast hero with ECM

Edited by skullman86, 02 March 2013 - 09:36 AM.

[Eric darkstar Marr]

After this they will cry if they have missle hard points like 1 more then any stock variant because its P2W. No matter what PGI can not win against the whiny *** minority and non payers.

Maybe they should take this as a hey lets toss those that pay what they hope for and give it ECM

[Jestun]

Marduk Moreau, on 02 March 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

Isn't this like complaining that I have to pay for DLC?

If it's a multiplayer game where the "best" weapons are in the DLC, then yes it is.

Personally I'll wait and see what's on it, but I will be unimpressed if they are going in the P2W direction because so far it's not P2W.

The reality is the game needs free players. They are the cannon fodder, they bring the queues down. Obviously PGI are a business, not a charity, and server hosting, development, support, etc are not free. However you need to find the right balance between making people want to pay you and keeping people who do not pay playing the game (or at least having as many new froobs as you have froobs who quit).

[p00k]

Marduk Moreau, on 02 March 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

Isn't this like complaining that I have to pay for DLC?

and once again i'm reminded how people nowadays think it's NORMAL to pay for DLC. i remember when they were called "patches" and were free, and "expansions" were standalone

Chunkylad, on 02 March 2013 - 08:15 AM, said:

I don't get why people think FREE TO PLAY means that everything is available for free.

they don't. they do think, however, that pay-only things should not give a competitive advantage, largely because doing so has ruined many other free to play titles

[Yokaiko]

skullman86, on 02 March 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

ECM on an MC chassis where there is no c-bill variant with ECM is pushing the envelope IMO. Hero mechs are not supposed to have a serious upper hand over the rest of their chassis variants, and if the hero is the only one with ECM, it will likely overshadow the rest of the bunch.

There is a C-bill variant, the -3M is ECM capable already. So would that make the (alleged) missile hardpoints pay to win?

[Jestun]

Eric darkstar Marr, on 02 March 2013 - 08:18 AM, said:

After this they will cry if they have missle hard points like 1 more then any stock variant because its P2W. No matter what PGI can not win against the whiny *** minority and non payers.

Maybe they should take this as a hey lets toss those that pay what they hope for and give it ECM

Yes they can, they don't give an advantage to payers. Then they are happy. It's what they are already doing.

Founders mechs? No advantage.
Heros? No advantage (different hardpoints, but not inherently better).
Buying a standard mech via MC? No advantage.

[Star Colonel Mustard Kerensky]

FupDup, on 02 March 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

They also have a much larger body size (larger hitboxes) and better hit registration (I use Ravens exclusively, I know how buggy they can be at times).

The cicada is only margianly larger than the raven, and the nice shield arms help survivability a bit. though I'll admit the raven's "hell armor" is hard to beat.

[Ngamok]

Astroniomix, on 02 March 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

There is the running rumor that it will also have/be able to have streaks (the headlight looking things on the front look somewhat like missilebay doors) And if you add ECM to that it will simply become a larger/ more heavily armored raven 3L. Knocking the 3L off of it's throne of king of the anklebiters, but replacing it with something harder to kill.

Harder to kill? What? Raven-3L smaller profile with 238 MAX armor. Cicada-3M (Hero, other variants) little bit boxier profile with 274 MAX armor. Tell me that it's harder to kill?

Astroniomix, on 02 March 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

It has more armor, I personaly don't find them harder to kill, I'm just explaining the "logic" behind people saying giving the thing ECM would make it P2W.

EDIT: I take it back, they ARE harder to kill. Still killable if you know what you are doing, but they do require a little more damage.

And I say they are NOT harder to kill but rather easier to kill bec ause of their shape. 40 more armor is NOT harder to kill spread across 7 sections.

[KuruptU4Fun]

[Jestun]

KuruptU4Fun, on 02 March 2013 - 08:31 AM, said:

Given the advantages it gives for the small weight / slots requirement, no it's not even remotely crazy and I doubt it will stop any time soon.