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[Orion Solitaire]

Personally, I think the OP, myself and everyone with a sympathetic ear to OP's plight are insane.

Keep doing the same thing expecting different results....

Plus, I seem to be too stupid to figure out the TS hookup.

[Eboli]

I had to laugh last night while in a PUG game (100% Jenner pugger myself).

Chat message from friendly Commando player before game starts: "maybe this time other lights will help me as I go cap... " Hmmm - I thought - probably not going to end well.

Countdown ends and off he goes at full speed - straight line to enemy base.

A short time later "Enemy team name... killed ...friendly team member"

Not many times I laugh at the death of a team member but this was one of them.

[Lonestar1771]

SkyCake, on 12 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I want a skin implements that is the im with stupid tshirt, however it has seven arrows, on for each of my teammate

how many times do i have to say it, STAY TOGETHER!!!!!! you too lights!!!

It's not them....it's you....

[Weiland]

Lonestar1771, on 13 November 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

It's not them....it's you....

I'd wager it's both, but "them" is horrible, so.

[Applecrow]

Yeah so gotta love it when you suggest a plan to your PUG, get told to (paraphrasing) "stop performing homosexual acts and fight like a man" then watch as they charge over the ridge into, oh what's that? A firing line?

Badpug1 has been killed by Someonewhoknowswhathesdoing
No1mawesome has been killed by Patience
CODRAMBO111 has been killed by Teamworkzop

And then the yelling starts that my sniper mech wasn't up helping. I'm sure they looked at my 90 damage and though I was terribad. 90 damage is bad, but you only have so many cycles before the 6 mechs swarming you take you down.

[Inveramsay]

Why on earth would you want your lights to stay with you? Obviously if they aren't stupid they'll stay not too far away and don't get instanuked when they get caught in the open but still. I never listen to people like you simply because there are different roles in the game. Funniest was yesterday, a guy wanted all scouts to follow him, he was running in a 110kph commando, not going to happen. Unsurprisingly he was the first to die.

[Eltyr]

If someone does something stupid. . . they usually have a reason for it. For instance, if you want your lights to scout, I may very well ignore you. I am not a scout. I am not equipped to be a scout. I'm meant for the wolfpack. When necessary, I will screen for the main force. I will take down an LRM boat. I rarely scout. (In fact, I like to follow Dragons). Some of your other lights, if you tell them to stay close, will ignore you because all they are is scouts, or missile designators, what have you. Your strategy has to be flexible, or it will be ignored.

Of course, often the reason is lack of experience, or failure to think through the consequences, but you have to get used to that in any multiplayer game. Nothing (legal) can be done about it. Maybe someone thinks they should crest the ridge because they have a great shot, and believe the other enemies are not nearby. Sometimes, they are right, and it gives your team an advantage. Other times they get utterly owned.

[nektu]

SkyCake, on 12 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

I want a skin implements that is the im with stupid tshirt, however it has seven arrows, on for each of my teammate

how many times do i have to say it, STAY TOGETHER!!!!!! you too lights!!!

The reason that you are on team stupid is, that there only is "Team Stupid" and "Team Even Worse". There are no good teams

[Egomane]

SkyCake, on 13 November 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

you are almost there... its like your brain started firing and then just suddenly died...

Not needed insult! Edit it out please!

SkyCake, on 13 November 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

they can be anywhere yes, but the only place they can hurt us is in our base, and guess what, we'll know if they go there.... honestly scouting in this game is useless, the maps are so effing small, you can practically see acrouss the map...

Wrong! Maps are large enough for scouts to matter. I had matches where both teams never even saw one opposing mech on all maps. If maps are large enough for that, scouts matter. Also scouts can hurt you a lot more then just in "your" base. I am regularly outdamaging heavy and assault mechs. If you don't prepare for my attack on you, you are dead meat.

SkyCake, on 13 November 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

and those lights talking about "ill scout" they literally have no idea what the term scouting means.... Scouting does not mean, ill go full blast until i find the enemy and then fight them... it means keeping your distance from enemys, branching out from your main group but staying within range, AND NOT GETTING INTO FIGHTS!!!! that is what the main group is for.... sure, find the enemy if you think it makes a difference, then get back with your wingman!!!!

I agree on some parts here.

Scouting is not, looking for the enemy and engaging him mindlessly.

It is, looking for the enemy, distract the enemy, draw the enemy apart, make the enemy easy targets for the rest of the team. That can be utilized by staying at range and it can be utilized by going in toe to toe. If the scout doesn't know his limits, the last one is a death sentence for him.

Scouts DO fight and they are deadly when they do and the pilot is halfway competent. If you keep your scouts from engaging it is the same as amputating yourself one leg.

Lots of scout pilots do not recognize it is their job, to quickly get back to base when it is under attack. A lot of scouts do not know when they are outclassed and should better disengage. A lot of scouts believe that they are invincible due to bad netcode or lag or something like that. Those scouts will only learn from experience, or they will switch to bigger mechs sooner or later.

The good scouts should do exactly what you want to prohibit them from doing. He will tell you the path the enemy is taking or not taking, he will distract the enemy, he will lock targets for the LRM carriers, split the enemy into several parties, deal a lot of damage and keep the enemy scouts from your back. If you are unable to make use of that, then you are the problem, not the scout.

[Jun Watarase]

The irony is that since phase 1 matchmaking, i am seeing lots of 4 man premades who think they are total badasses and can solo the enemy team.

Typically this is what happens :

4 mechs start going one way completely seperate from the rest of the enemy team. Either ignores the rest of the team or insists they don't need help. The enemy team either spots them and wipes them out, or charges the rest of the team, wipes them out, and caps, all the while 4 man premade is in the middle of nowhere.

Usually seen in the forest caves or the frozen tunnel/ravine.

[Egomane]

Jun Watarase, on 14 November 2012 - 04:37 AM, said:

The irony is that since phase 1 matchmaking, i am seeing lots of 4 man premades who think they are total badasses and can solo the enemy team.

Typically this is what happens :

4 mechs start going one way completely seperate from the rest of the enemy team. Either ignores the rest of the team or insists they don't need help. The enemy team either spots them and wipes them out, or charges the rest of the team, wipes them out, and caps, all the while 4 man premade is in the middle of nowhere.

Usually seen in the forest caves or the frozen tunnel/ravine.

Yeah saw that as well. They just headed for the tunnel on FC-Snow and stood there, while the rest of the team would have gotten slaughtered. That is: If the rest of the team weren't some competent scout pilots, who knew when to get out of a critical situation. So we scouts looked where the rest of "our team" was. Even when I asked them, if the waiting game, they did next to the tunnel, was any fun, they didn't react.

Well... we drew the enemy, that luckily didn't care about capping the base, to that location and forced those four to fight as well. We scouts turned around and looked for solo targets to engage and take out, while the four lazy guys finally found some action. In the end we won. The scouts made 6 out of the 8 kills and outdamaged the lazy ones by far.

Edited by Egomane, 14 November 2012 - 09:01 AM.

[Galland]

People should watch the video in this thread:

http://mwomercs.com/...ips-and-tricks/

[Codejack]

Can we maybe get a "block" option so that we wouldn't get put on the same team as people who are REALLY bad?

[KingCobra]

I'm sorry skycakes but we cant be together my better half wont let me.

Edited by KingCobra, 14 November 2012 - 09:40 AM.

[Cferre]

Gen Kumon, on 13 November 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Joining a team *will not help* with this. You'll still be teamed with at least four puggers, more if you're undersized. Just last match, simply asking "Plan?" at the start of the match got a guy to tell me to go kill myself. These people do not WANT to play on a team. They don't WANT to listen.

I guess that ''these'' people want Mechwarrior 5. But that didn't happen. And are bored of the older MW's campaigne/Instant Action modes. So they are stuck with this game.

Edited by Cferre, 14 November 2012 - 10:08 AM.

[Jost]

Hrafnass, on 12 November 2012 - 09:13 PM, said:

Why is there always people who think that blobbing is a tactic... or wise... or enjoyable...

You, Sir, are a Mechwarrior, not a sheep!

It may not be enjoyable, but it's clearly a tactic, and it's clearly wise, because it works. If you don't like blobbing, destroy teams which blob.

[Chrithu]

You're just on team stupid lucky you. i am literaly ALLWAYS on the left hand team.

[Merces Letifer]

Codejack, on 12 November 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:

We follow you around. You are our King.

Haha
That comment just made my day

[AlexWildeagle]

As a pugger I respond to how I'm treated and how I observe your tactics.
Lefty comes on and coordinates those of us who cooperate things go well and we win. D-bag comes on and starts commanding like he's general patton no one listens and we lose. Funny how said commander dies first and then continues to scream on and on how we suck.
We hit frostworld and you ignore the tunnel and wander out into the killing fields....you're on your own.
Last time on frostworld we had great fun at the tunnel on the side with the path. 3 of us overlapped and everytime the enemy team poked their heads out we almost simo fired, jenner charged us and couldn't get past then died to our focus.

[jper4]

Kaspirikay, on 13 November 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

Do what i do, follow someone preferably an atlas, from a distance then when he engages you go in and help.

Of course, you dont have to help if hes running headon into 4 enemy heavies/assaults lol

yeah i follow the Atlas, or anyone with a Founder's tag if i see one. if we scatter to the four winds i follow the biggest scattering and hope for the best. i'm usually in a hunchy so no one expects me to go first...except when i'm with a Steiner scout lance of course.

best thing is to stand around for a few seconds after the start and see where the flow is heading and react accordingly. patience helps, though i admit when the fighting starts i tend to bounce around to whatever nearby friendly mech i see under attack- especially if its some poor atlas being chased by a jenner ;P