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[Brien]

If they give us 3rd person they should give us a refund option, I did not become a Founder to support Hawken I did it to support a Mech sim.

[IceSerpent]

Soy, on 14 November 2012 - 09:11 PM, said:

I truly believe that if 3pv was in the game from the start and they were pondering the notion of removing said feature that the response would look stunningly similar to the way it does right now.

Soy, your belief is unfounded. If by "the game" you mean MW games in general, previous iterations had 3rd person view and folks were not happy to say the least (that's how we know exactly what it breaks and how, by the way). If you mean MWO in particular, this idea was discussed way before the start of CBT and the community response was exactly the same as it is now.

In short, it's not something new that we are vary of - we've experienced it, know for a fact that it's very bad, and that's why we don't like it.

[Rejarial Galatan]

I am scared now. I agree with Zylo....

also, because this cannot be said enough times, paul says:


MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

Edited by Rejarial Galatan, 14 November 2012 - 09:35 PM.

[Commie95]

3rd person should not be implemented in any way. Not even as an option. For every new player that this draws in (which it wont because this is not why people get mad and quit) 5 veterans will leave and honestly would have been twice as likely to pay more down the line.

However if you want the game to fail, go ahead its a fantastic idea.

[Soy]

IceSerpent, on 14 November 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Soy, your belief is unfounded. If by "the game" you mean MW games in general, previous iterations had 3rd person view and folks were not happy to say the least (that's how we know exactly what it breaks and how, by the way). If you mean MWO in particular, this idea was discussed way before the start of CBT and the community response was exactly the same as it is now.

In short, it's not something new that we are vary of - we've experienced it, know for a fact that it's very bad, and that's why we don't like it.

How is my belief, my opinion of what I find to be enjoyable or worth merit within a game system, unfounded. That's just asinine.

I've experienced it, know for a fact it's very enjoyable or worthy of some merit in certain potential situations even if completely toned down, and that's why I like it.

Edited by Soy, 14 November 2012 - 09:37 PM.

[Rejarial Galatan]

Brien, on 14 November 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

If they give us 3rd person they should give us a refund option, I did not become a Founder to support Hawken I did it to support a Mech sim.

yup. this is a SIMULATOR, not a console game. also as paul says:

MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

guess "very far off in the distance" means: november 2012. his post was mid summer 2012, july or so... so...what 4 months is far off distance...

[shadowwolf jerricho]

As you can see the majority of the pilots want to remain in the cockpit, where they should be. 3rd person view is not proper for a simulation based game, it ruins the entire experience for all. The best thing to do is fix your matchmaking, and add a tutorial. Once the tutorial is complete, hook them up with enough cbills to customize and light mech or purchase a medium mech. Please do not bring this to fruition, my unit forums are already blowing up about this and we are all Founders. Listen to the fan base and not the pilots who refuse to learn, otherwise you may lose a tremedous amout of player base. Thanks.

Shadowwolf Jerricho
Commanding Officer
Kell Hounds/Shadow Hounds(MWO)

[Rembrandt]

After death camera could be 3rd person.

[Rejarial Galatan]

3rd person is game breaking Soy, its that simple. It is an easy mode that allows risk free actions, and pop tarting. also, again, paul states:


MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

this is why they must not do this, because to do so, makes them unreliable and untrustworthy.

[Commie95]

No matter how many fans say "no" they are going to do it anyways. Its like the WOT devs. They do what they want even if nobody asked for it.

[Rejarial Galatan]

commie95, if they do this, then they become flat out liars, and alienate a GIGANTIC portion of potential money, and will lose a TON very quickly as they are flooded in the support department by e-mails wanting refunds of founds pack purchases, MC purchases. This is a financial blunder, and again, as this can never be said enough, from paul himself:


MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

[kalabaddon]

Soy, on 14 November 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

How is my belief, my opinion of what I find to be enjoyable or worth merit within a game system, unfounded. That's just asinine.

maybe because your belief/opinion is an "assumption" on the other players???

[Soy]

Again, you are concerned with potential balance Rej.

I echo your concern 100%.

[IceSerpent]

Soy, on 14 November 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

How is my belief, my opinion of what I find to be enjoyable or worth merit within a game system, unfounded. That's just asinine.

I quoted your stated belief that I think is unfounded and it doesn't say anything about enjoyable or not.

[Volkodav]

3rd person - this is a step down. : (

Edited by Volkodav, 14 November 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[Soy]

kalabaddon, on 14 November 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

maybe because your belief/opinion is an "assumption" on the other players???

This doesn't even make sense. My opinion based on personal experiences and tastes is based on an assumption of other players? What?

Edited by Soy, 14 November 2012 - 09:42 PM.

[Harmatia]

Why is it that a majority of the time if "new" players have a problem with something, it must change? Learn to **** play. Honestly.

[Rejarial Galatan]

this is a catastrophic mistake. Not only mechanically, but, to reputation and financial. how? because it suddenly makes them liars. proof from paul himself:


MechWarrior Online is being designed to put you the player in the seat of the pilot. It is 100% first person view only. Being the pilot is one of our key design pillars and 3rd person breaks that pillar on multiple levels as seen in many of the other 3rd Person discussions.

We will investigate 3rd person in the far off distance for special game settings, but this is very far off in the distance.

While we appreciate those who enjoy 3rd person, MWO will be 1st person out of the gate and in the near future.

-Paul
Lead Designer

[snowfalcon8]

As stated at the begining of game development no 3rd person view this is what the players want so leave it at NO 3rd person view....

[Tarman]

Jeebus Cripes, 45 pages since this thread popped. Pretty sure PGI has made a strategic error in thinking.