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[Taryys]

added .. do not put trials in their own queue

[Taryys]

If we do not shoot for the stars then we would never find out that we could reach for the moon.
It only seems ambitious because the pace of advancement is slow.
They are more than capable of achieving all of this.
It, unfortunately, will take more time then any of us would really like.

[Sartorial Glint]

I pretty much agree with these points

[Taryys]

Good to hear!!
Feel free to like the OP.

[dF0X]

Taryys, on 21 November 2012 - 08:04 AM, said:

If we do not shoot for the stars then we would never find out that we could reach for the moon.
It only seems ambitious because the pace of advancement is slow.
They are more than capable of achieving all of this.
It, unfortunately, will take more time then any of us would really like.

Well, I'm just pointing out that they haven't produced that much new content in the entire history of the game.

[Reoh]

Instead of blocking Trial Mech Chasis XP gain, why not let them acquire it but not be able to spend it until they owned the mech. This way all the grinding you did gave you a big pot of xpgold at the end. From a Lore perspective, you're still learning how the mech works really well but somebody loaning you the mech won't let you tinker with it.

[Taryys]

Well, the 'history' of the game goes from nonexistant, ie no game, to what we have now through the course of over a year of development. A lot has been done in that time: 4 maps, 12 mechs and 4 variants each, multiplayer code, team code, adding and coding weapons, weapons special affects, 1 game mode, UI interface... that is a good start.
From nothing to all of this seems like more than 'not much new content'.

Yes, things are slow, but they are a small shop that is not drowning in money, plus trouble shooting things is much, much harder than creating new content.

Desrtfox, on 21 November 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

Well, I'm just pointing out that they haven't produced that much new content in the entire history of the game.

Hmmmmm... interesting thought.
Will have to contemplate this.

Reoh, on 21 November 2012 - 08:30 AM, said:

Instead of blocking Trial Mech Chasis XP gain, why not let them acquire it but not be able to spend it until they owned the mech. This way all the grinding you did gave you a big pot of xpgold at the end. From a Lore perspective, you're still learning how the mech works really well but somebody loaning you the mech won't let you tinker with it.

[Chuff]

Sounds good to me.

Please stop AFKers from receiving any c-bills. This is being seriously abused

Please increase c-bills for kills in a match.

Please also implement some kind of try out or rental for a new mech chassis, stop me from wasting millions of c-bills on a bad(but completely blind!!!!) choice

Chuff

[Chog]

Broceratops, on 15 November 2012 - 08:01 AM, said:

I agree with your points but I think other than matchmaking, they are all 'nice to haves'. Matchmaking by itself will remove the greatest barrier to a new player, which is nobody likes getting stomped by premades in better mechs while they are still trying to figure out the controls.

If new players play other new players or just simply bad players, and they're winning half the time even if they are just bumbling around, then they'll keep playing the game. If they get stomped 20 matches in a row they'll much more likely just leave.

MWO should not have an EVE Online barrier to entry. It pretty much does right now, only unlike in EVE where you can blame 10 years of people grinding away, MWO is a new game.

This. This is a great game. I had a great time in my mechs. The MM beat me down to the point of frustration and eliminated all desire to play this potentially great game. I started playing out of morbid frustration on how I can be on team that gets stomped every single match, great fun that was. Then I wised up and asked myself why am I playing a game that is designed to frustrate me as a new player and I stopped playing with hope that it will improve in the future and offer fair and balanced matches for a new player. The 4 man platoons in a pug game with 8 man teams is the major issue. It becomes which team has the pimped out experienced 4 man platoon or which team has the best one. Fun, fun, new players are along for the ride. Worse, I see the new players grouped together as one team will get the majoirty of trial mechs. You start looking at that and asking what is the point. You just can't have fair and balanced PUG matches with 4 man platoons with 8 man teams. I seen many posts on here with these clans saying they win 90%+ of their PUG games and I believe them. See a problem here? You get on a team with these 99% win groups and you win, you get on the other side and you lose. Fun fun.

[Bluescuba]

+1 signed

[Taryys]

The practice arena customization would not be something you keep or use in the actual game play.
These customized mechs are only available to you in your client side practice arena, and acts as a way to test out builds and chassis, and as a carrot that may get people to buy mechs outright, since they have been able to play with them.

It is easier to get people to buy a car once they have test driven it.

To actually use that build in the game you would have to purchase and adjust it normally with CBills/MC.

[Taryys]

I disagree. More availability to modify and play means more experimentation.
You may want to see if something is possible, and be afraid to even try it because of the cost.
This frees you from that.

In Dungeons and Dragons 4E they have the online character builder which is great.
I can't tell you how many different characters I have put together and not had the chance to play.

SicksGunz, on 21 November 2012 - 09:13 AM, said:

Right. That is what I am saying. If everyone has unlimited opportunity to find that optimized build, for free, we will see way less experimentation and variety in the actual game.

[Taryys]

You can own all the mechs. It will mean buying more mech slots.

Everyone would have the same access, and you would not know if a loadout would work until you tried it, which is the same boat everyone else would be in. You would have to pay CBills like everyone else to test out a loadout in live conditions.
Like you said, you have loadouts that no one else tries, and that may be because you are an individual and you like to play a certain way that others do not. People get to see your load out when you are targeted, and anyone spectating you, so I do not see that as being a real issue. The data is publicly available anyhow.


There is no perfect loadout for every role, since each person plays differently and has different preferences, and all of that depends a lot on team work for many loadouts to work. What is perfect for one person is utter crap for another.

SicksGunz, on 21 November 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

I roll with a small crew of pilots. Despite having similar skill levels, we have very different design philosophies, and argue about this constantly. This is perpetuated because there is no way for all of us to own all of the mechs, or for us to play against each other in a controlled environment to actually test this out. We run builds no one else uses, or at least that we have ever encountered, and we make them work. I don't want everyone easily finding out what I have spent Cbills to know.

In your proposal, there would be a way to test every mech and almost every loadout, and find the perfect setup for every role. And we would all use that, because winning is fun. As it is though, there is no real way to do this and so the debate and the variety continue. It will take six months or a year to get the kind of information we could get in a week under your proposal.

Edited by Taryys, 21 November 2012 - 09:40 AM.

[ExplodedZombie]

I really think players should earn 50% General XP when in trial mechs. It just takes way too long to grind up with a trial mech for nothing. And with general xp, at least they could put some toward their shiny new mech.

[Taryys]

Yea, I am not quite sure what to do with XP and trials.
I have a suggestion there, but am not too sold on it yet.

ExplodedZombie, on 21 November 2012 - 09:48 AM, said:

I really think players should earn 50% General XP when in trial mechs. It just takes way too long to grind up with a trial mech for nothing. And with general xp, at least they could put some toward their shiny new mech.

[Taryys]

There is nothing 'easy mode' about it. You still have to grind the CBills to make it happen. You still have to test the loadout in battle to know if it will work for you.

You can own all of the mechs if you like. You just need to buy more mech bays.
None of this cuts into the devs pockets since you cannot buy engines or weapons with MC.
You can only buy them with CBills which are earned by playing game.
If anything this will make them more money for the reasons I stated above.


If they can see you weapons how do then they are 80% of the way there to knowing what you are running. The rest will be trial and error, so some of your design is hidden. The only way they could not have a clue about your design is to not play with you. Eventually you will move and fire weapons and that will be telling as well.

SicksGunz, on 21 November 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

I can't own all the mechs, you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. It takes me 1-5 evenings of gaming to save the cbills to buy and trick out a single mech, depending on time available and whether or not I need to buy a new kickass engine. I have to carefully plan what I want to do, or else its back to the drawing board.

I like it that way. I don't want everything to be EZ mode. Thankfully I am 100% sure the devs won't make any changes that would directly cut into their MC sales, and this is one of them.

Also, just because people see your weapons doesn't mean they know your mech design.

[Slaughterama]

Signed

I'm afraid they will not listen though.

[Low351]

Well thought out well written. I only disagree on two points.

1) Trial mechs shouldn't be modifiable. You should have to get used to playing a stock config before gaining access to the mech lab.

2) Not a direct disagreement but a modification. I'd like a 3rd person view, without hud or control, I'd call it a vanity view. I'd like to visualize how badly damaged I am, even if they force me to powerdown during the view and I'm vulnerable for a few seconds as compensation.

[FLes]

Well written OP, but from everything we heard from devs, I think they are not trying to do what is best for the game, but they want the solution that they believe will bring them more players with minimum effort on their side. Enter World of Mechs.

Edited by FLes, 21 November 2012 - 10:39 AM.

[Taryys]

Mech customization is a core part of the BT/MW experience and to deny them that out of the gate will push people away since they will be completely denied one of the more fun aspects of the game, especially when the Trial mechs are so beyond suboptimal in many cases. Then they can "unlock" full access by purchasing a mech of their own.

Having trial mechs at least a little customizable gets them access to the mech lab sooner, so that the grind is not so grindy, plus the stock mechs are not so well put together for MWO's mechanics. Trials will be great place for them to learn the basics with Level 1 Tech, so nothing special like Pulse Lazors or XL engines. This is also acts like a carrot to get them to purchase their own mech so than can have full customization.

Low351, on 21 November 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

1) Trial mechs shouldn't be modifiable. You should have to get used to playing a stock config before gaining access to the mech lab.