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[Sp4wNers]

As topic says. I only mean protection from those two. I know standard is cheaper when it comes to repair it, but what about mech protection itself? I'm running K2 with 2x PPC, 2x LL, 2x machine Guns, Endo Steel Structure and XL Engine 300.

[Culler]

FF gives no extra protection. It just makes your armor 10% lighter. It's also incredibly expensive and it's the first thing to get damaged on your mech since it's the armor.

End steel gives more weight savings at much lower cost every time.

[Aquilus]

Culler, on 15 November 2012 - 07:44 AM, said:

FF gives no extra protection. It just makes your armor 10% lighter. It's also incredibly expensive and it's the first thing to get damaged on your mech since it's the armor.

End steel gives more weight savings at much lower cost every time.

It's 12% lighter, as far as I know. It's still useless and overpriced, though.

[Cole Allard]

protection? Is the same for both

FF is yet lighter in tons then standard...only if your really in need of just a little more tons, and not carring about costs that you should even think about using it.

[Sp4wNers]

As always thanks for quick answer. So I think i'm not gonna buy another FF for my mech (my C1 has it o.O)

[wanderer]

Sp4wNers, on 15 November 2012 - 07:47 AM, said:

As always thanks for quick answer. So I think i'm not gonna buy another FF for my mech (my C1 has it o.O)

Yep. FFA is the last piece of high-tech you'll usually upgrade anything with, as it gives back the smallest amount of improvements. DHS and endosteel >>> FFA as priority goes.

[Buckminster]

Sadly, FFA is completely a waste at this point. Only thing it provides is some extra weight, and not even much of that.

[Jaded Jasper]

FF is pretty much only useful on very light mechs if you already have double heatsinks and endosteel, yet still have a bunch of spaces left.

I'm not sure why PGI even bothered implementing it.

[Darth JarJar]

This is straight out of the mechlab:

Ferro Fibrous Armor
Armor that incorporates a weight saving weave of advanced materials. Provides 12% more protection per ton than standard armor, but occupies 14 critical slots.

So, unless the FF armor is 'broken', which is unlikely since I have seen no QQ threads to that effect, it both saves weight AND gives more protection.

[Aquilus]

Jaded Jasper, on 15 November 2012 - 07:52 AM, said:

FF is pretty much only useful on very light mechs if you already have double heatsinks and endosteel, yet still have a bunch of spaces left.

I'm not sure why PGI even bothered implementing it.

It's not even useful for very light mechs. It'll save you less than a ton, but double the repair cost of your armour. My JR7-K came with it, but I had to remove it because it was eating into my profits.

[Krivvan]

von Bremerhaven, on 15 November 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

This is straight out of the mechlab:

Ferro Fibrous Armor
Armor that incorporates a weight saving weave of advanced materials. Provides 12% more protection per ton than standard armor, but occupies 14 critical slots.

So, unless the FF armor is 'broken', which is unlikely since I have seen no QQ threads to that effect, it both saves weight AND gives more protection.

It provides 12% more protection per ton. That means that you need less of it to provide the same amount of protection. Because the max armour values don't change, in the end all it does is act as armour that's lighter.

It's only useful if you have an egregious number of crit spaces left after DHS and Endo Steel and still need tonnage. It's generally only useful on light mechs.

Edited by Krivvan, 15 November 2012 - 07:58 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

None.
It needs damage reduction for this game, or it'll remain only on the most expensive and min-maxed of commandos, while everybody else ignores it.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Aquilus, on 15 November 2012 - 07:45 AM, said:

It's 12% lighter, as far as I know. It's still useless and overpriced, though.

Correct. Endo Steel unlocks more weight on any Mech and costs less to repair since it might not even get hit in a match. They also both eat the same amount of crit slots, so there's no reason to pick Ferro at all. They need to reduce the crit slot cost of Ferro if they aren't going to do anything else here. Currently there's no reason, at all, to ever use Ferro, unless you're on a Light Mech that can't fill out slots with Endo+DHS alone.

[Clay Pigeon]

FF needs to up the max armor ratings by 10%

[Taryys]

Pretty much what everyone else said.

ES > FF.

Get rid of FF and add ES instead.

[wanderer]

von Bremerhaven, on 15 November 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

This is straight out of the mechlab:

Ferro Fibrous Armor
Armor that incorporates a weight saving weave of advanced materials. Provides 12% more protection per ton than standard armor, but occupies 14 critical slots.

So, unless the FF armor is 'broken', which is unlikely since I have seen no QQ threads to that effect, it both saves weight AND gives more protection.

It provides more points of armor per ton- 12% to be precise.

This doesn't change your armor limits, though, nor does FF armor reduce damage in any way. All it means is it takes less weight to max your armor out (or whatever number of armor points you want on the 'Mech).

[Broceratops]

its only good for certain light and medium mechs which make extensive use of weapons which don't take up much crit space, or don't have many weapons at all.

ES > FF, always. And once you put on ES you usually won't have room for FF without making a crapmech.

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

Vassago Rain, on 15 November 2012 - 07:58 AM, said:

None.
It needs damage reduction for this game, or it'll remain only on the most expensive and min-maxed of commandos, while everybody else ignores it.

That's a good idea. If it gave my entire Mech a slight bonus to damage reduction; I'd probably start taking it over Endo. But currently my rides have Endo, not Ferro, because Endo gives more weight reduction at no increase to slot cost.

Ironic thing is that I was attacking Ferro almost immediately after its release and people flamed me for it; trying to say that it's equally competitive vs Endo Steel.(Despite simple obvious math) Funny that this is no longer the case and now everyone says Ferro is crap. I say it early, I'm "wrong", I say it later, I'm in the majority. My conclusion up front was that Ferro is entirely worthless unless you've already got Endo Steel+DHS and somehow still have enough slots left over for Ferro. But unless you're in a tiny Light Mech, that will never be the case. My Hunchback for example, with DHS+Endo at 50/50 weight, doesn't have enough slots left for Ferro; thus there's no reason to get it on him.

Clay Pigeon, on 15 November 2012 - 08:02 AM, said:

FF needs to up the max armor ratings by 10%

Another good idea. If it raised the max armor cap, it would allow us to add MORE armor than the default max; which would be great. I always want to add more armor but my variants are always maxed out in every section I want to add it. Most variants are maxed or near maxed by default so you can't add much.(if anything)

[Broceratops]

10% seems like a good number for additional armor. The difference between FF and ES is something like 3 tons.

[Krivvan]

Bluten, on 15 November 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Ironic thing is that I was attacking Ferro almost immediately after its release and people flamed me for it; trying to say that it's equally competitive vs Endo Steel.(Despite simple obvious math)

I don't think anyone tried to claim that FF was just as good as ES (anyone who claimed that would've been very wrong). I think most of the arguments were based on the fact that it adhered to TT and that FF acts as a second weight-loss measure to the superior ES.