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[Felicitatem Parco]

I know the heat system is broken and Heavy Energy Weapons (such as the large Laser and PPC) are completely useless.

My question is, why am I having so much success using PPCs? I don't understand how such a broken and useless weapon is felling so many of my opponents, especially the invincible Light Mechs. I thought Light Mechs were invulnerable to projectile weapons, but killing them with PPCs!?

What am I missing here? Why am I killing people?

(Edit - Just to mention, I mostly PUG, and my Pick up game W/L and K/D ratios are both greater than 1, so it's not the "Premade Effect" that's driving my obscure and inexplicable observations)

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 November 2012 - 04:12 PM.

[UraniumOverdose]

Any success you have with PPC's would be magnified using Gauss. A decent player can do damage and get kills with any weapon. In any scenario the same player is going to do better with more efficient weapons in the same category (brawling, sniping etc).

[Sevaradan]

Clearly its hacks.

[Felicitatem Parco]

UraniumOverdose, on 14 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Any success you have with PPC's would be magnified using Gauss. A decent player can do damage and get kills with any weapon. In any scenario the same player is going to do better with more efficient weapons in the same category (brawling, sniping etc).

I get better results with PPCbacks than GaussBacks.

Sevaradan, on 14 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Clearly its hacks.

I did hack through my computer casing to make more vents for a hotter CPU... is that it?

[Wispsy]

I like larger lasers.

[Mr 144]

Prosperity Park, on 14 November 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

I know the heat system is broken and Heavy Energy Weapons (such as the large Laser and PPC) are completely useless.

My question is, why am I having so much success using PPCs? I don't understand how such a broken and useless weapon is felling so many of my opponents, especially the invincible Light Mechs. I thought Light Mechs were invulnerable to projectile weapons, but killing them with PPCs!?

What am I missing here? Why am I killing people?

(Edit - Just to mention, I mostly PUG, and my Pick up game W/L and K/D ratios are both greater than 1, so it's not the "Premade Effect" that's driving my obscure and inexplicable observations)

Ya know...half the time I vehemently disagree with you...the other half I'm lovin' your posts..I'm convinced yer two different people Would love to run with ya sometime just to see it in action...fairly easy to spectate with my death magnet 'propensity'...lol Personally, I love LL's, but haven't plunged into PPC territory yet.

Mr 144

Edited by Mr 144, 14 November 2012 - 04:21 PM.

[TruePoindexter]

Prosperity Park, on 14 November 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

I know the heat system is broken and Heavy Energy Weapons (such as the large Laser and PPC) are completely useless.

My question is, why am I having so much success using PPCs? I don't understand how such a broken and useless weapon is felling so many of my opponents, especially the invincible Light Mechs. I thought Light Mechs were invulnerable to projectile weapons, but killing them with PPCs!?

What am I missing here? Why am I killing people?

(Edit - Just to mention, I mostly PUG, and my Pick up game W/L and K/D ratios are both greater than 1, so it's not the "Premade Effect" that's driving my obscure and inexplicable observations)

Mad skillz? I've found a love for large pulse lasers myself.

[aspect]

Yeah apparently heat is totally broken and DHS sucks, but I tear it up way more using my 9xMLAS DHS-equipped hunchback than any other mech I've owned.

*shrug*

[Termius]

I've only heard bad things about heavy energy weapons, so I haven't delved into them yet. But now I'm curious to see if I can pull it off.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Mr 144, on 14 November 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

Ya know...half the time I vehemently disagree with you...the other half I'm lovin' your posts..I'm convinced yer two different people Would love to run with ya sometime just to see it in action...fairly easy to spectate with my death magnet 'propensity'...lol Personally, I love LL's, but haven't plunged into PPC territory yet.

Mr 144

We agree, and we'd love to drop with you some time...

[Virisken]

large laser are fine..just the ppc is broken..
just make a snipe-duell : you have a cat with dual ppc..against a cat with dual gauss..you will see... even a cat with dual LL will own you.

ppcs are to hot, splashing and hard to hit at distance or fast moving targest.

i play them too from tome to time, cause i loved them im TT..but its just for fun, other weaoons are superior.

Edited by Virisken, 14 November 2012 - 04:28 PM.

[Creepy]

Well, if you can handle the heat, PPCs fire at a faster rate which can cripple a light mech faster.
The laser classed weapons are nice because you can "draw" on the light mechs -try carving your initials into them! You can also adjust/correct your aim during the light up.
Aside from that, I guess there's a question of weapon familiarity and the pilot's ability to time and lead their shots properly. I see so many people fail to lead their targets with non-beam type weapons.

[Dakkath]

Large Lasers need some serious love. the dot duration just destroys their effectiveness.

[CateranEnforcer]

I do like my K2 mounting dual ER PPCs and a Gauss Rifle. It tears up dual Gauss cats. Heat does get intense after going full out for about 10 seconds and I have to slow down, but I kinda expect that using 2 of the hottest weapons in the game. It still pulls good numbers.

[Felicitatem Parco]

Termius, on 14 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

I've only heard bad things about heavy energy weapons, so I haven't delved into them yet. But now I'm curious to see if I can pull it off.

There's just something nice about a weapon that has the same projectile speed as the Gauss, but no ballistic arc or ammo considerations... and can be stacked to oblivion

Anyone else ever run a Mech that was more than 50% Ion Cannon, by weight?

Edited by Prosperity Park, 14 November 2012 - 04:31 PM.

[Nauht]

Virisken, on 14 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

large laser are fine..just the ppc is broken..
just make a snipe-duell : you have a cat with dual ppc..against a cat with dual gauss..you will see... even a cat with dual LL will own you.

ppcs are to hot, splashing and hard to hit at distance or fast moving targest.

i play them too from tome to time, cause i loved them im TT..but its just for fun, other weaoons are superior.

PPCs do not have splash damage. They just run hot as they should and if you can shoot.

OP has learnt how to shoot compensating for both the netcode and his lag.

Dakkath, on 14 November 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

Large Lasers need some serious love. the dot duration just destroys their effectiveness.

They had serious love in a CB patch. Upped damage to 9 and now have exactly the same burn time as ML.

Before that patch they were truly horrid.

[Shalune]

Termius, on 14 November 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

I've only heard bad things about heavy energy weapons, so I haven't delved into them yet. But now I'm curious to see if I can pull it off.

This is the thing, everyone's heard about how bad they are, but people aren't really basing this off real experience.

Large lasers and PPCs are both good. PPCs are worse than gauss but not by nearly as much as people think. PPC also require much less weight so you're more likely to fit 2 PPCs for 1 gauss. Because of the heat though, going over 3 PPCs while staying effective is really tough, and it's better to chain fire while gauss can afford to alpha more.

As for large lasers, I'm not sure why people think they're bad. They're good and stand up fine on their own. There are plenty of builds where you'd rather use a LLas than gauss.

[Z0MBIE Y0SHI]

Imo, PPCs just needs the emp effect and their good.

ER's though...

[Grizley]

Prosperity Park, on 14 November 2012 - 04:29 PM, said:

There's just something nice about a weapon that has the same projectile speed as the Gauss, but no ballistic arc or ammo considerations... and can be stacked to oblivion

Anyone else ever run a Mech that was more than 50% Ion Cannon, by weight?

I'm pretty sure the 4 ERPPC Cicada is well over 50% PPC by weight. That's what, 28 out of 40 tons? Of course you're slower than crap and a die to a commandos sneeze.

[Keifomofutu]

I wouldn't call LL useless. They are very easy to use being hitscan and have received enough buffs to be a very good all purpose weapon. Founders atlas carries 3 and a gauss and its a very effective reliable setup. Not the best at anything but pretty decent at everything.

Its especially good at frying lights at all ranges.

I don't understand why anyone would use the much shorter ranged and heavier LPL considering its dps advantage over LL is almost nonexistent.

Frankly I think all the regular lasers are well balanced.

Edited by Keifomofutu, 14 November 2012 - 04:37 PM.