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[Voridan Atreides]

I'm getting really tired of hearing NERF this, NERF that. Some weapons and mechs have to be better then others. They are not constructive posts.

[Corwin111]

Nerf whiners, I say!

[Joseph Mallan]

Voridan Atreides, on 21 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

I'm getting really tired of hearing NERF this, NERF that. Some weapons and mechs have to be better then others. They are not constructive posts.

Oh Man! Someone else gets IT!!!
Thank You!

[MustrumRidcully]

Why does this always come up in threads. Why are people so scared and fearful of nerfs?

They aren't always warranted, but sometimes they are. Balance is critical. If you don't balance the game, you will have people get bored by the few really viable choices the game has to offer - anything that's not in need of a nerf will fall down by the wayside, a trap for noobs or maybe something for the premades that steamroll their enemies even if they just equiped only one small laser, essentially letting them add insult to injury. But for a competitive game, the underpowered or "not overpowered" stuff is ballast.

Some balance issues can be better solved by buffing other things. For example, the best way to balance the Gauss Rifle is to make high heat weapons like (ER, Pulse) LLs and (ER) PPCs more viable, for example.

But in other cases, some weaopns are just too effective, and trying to bring all the other weapons on that level will lead to rocket tag - e.g. an extremely fast paced game where everything is killed rapidly, a game that only few players will enjoy. And that doesn't just apply to weapons. ALso "counter-measures" to weapons can be like that - imagine LRMs being able to oneshot mechs - unless you equip an overpowered ECM or a AMS which completely neuters them.

[John Norad]

Voridan Atreides, on 21 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

I'm getting really tired of hearing NERF this, NERF that.

Personally, I'm getting tired of hyperbole.

Voridan Atreides, on 21 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

Some weapons and mechs have to be better then others.

Why?

Voridan Atreides, on 21 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

They are not constructive posts.

They are, if they're serious, objective and backed by arguments. Your post, in contrast, is more on the conservative side, which is kinda inappropriate for a Beta.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Just remember...

[Hood]

Keep nerfing and soon there wont be anything to nerf.. just make the damn game worry about whats more powerful later.

[Broceratops]

nerf machine guns

[Nuclear Weapon]

Nerf all the players but me !! they are ALL OP'd !!

[Hood]

Put the weapons back to what they should be, the maps and missions should be the determing factor on what you need to take. LRMs are no good if you have good hidding places.. In close brawlers are no good in wide open spaces. Make it and they will come....

[Vermaxx]

If you want a game where everything balances out, go play Modern War3. Battletech is about buying the biggest win-gun available in your time period and beating people about the head and shoulders with it.

Incidentally, stats are not king. I was just musing about how I've seen really skilled MW3 players using 'sub optimal' guns to eradicate teams. Example - the G36 is just 'not as good' as the ACR 6.8, but I've seen some decently-ranked players destroy teams endlessly with the G36.

"Have faith in your wargear." It may not be a space marine bolter - it may just be a lasgun. If you learn it, and master it, you will prosper.

But, again, the bolter is just better and neither gun is ever going to 'balance' against the other.

[Nuclear Weapon]

Ooooh, also nerf my gf, she is sooooooo OP. Always aks for sex when Im playing MWO... and I end up quitting MWO... (sometimes ragequit).

Nerf my OP GF !!!

Edited by Nuclear Weapon, 21 November 2012 - 08:14 AM.

[Voridan Atreides]

@John


Why you ask? Do you know ANYTHING about battletech?

Edited by Voridan Atreides, 21 November 2012 - 08:15 AM.

[Yalan]

Vermaxx, on 21 November 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

If you want a game where everything balances out, go play Modern War3. Battletech is about buying the biggest win-gun available in your time period and beating people about the head and shoulders with it.

Incidentally, stats are not king. I was just musing about how I've seen really skilled MW3 players using 'sub optimal' guns to eradicate teams. Example - the G36 is just 'not as good' as the ACR 6.8, but I've seen some decently-ranked players destroy teams endlessly with the G36.

Comparing this to standard FPS games in terms of weapon balance is just stupid. You have Ammo, size, weight, and heat concerns that don't even exist in those games. Considering how much less they have to balance and the amount of money people throw at them, it still amazes me that weapon balance sucks in most CoD games.

[bigrigross]

Voridan Atreides, on 21 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

I'm getting really tired of hearing NERF this, NERF that. Some weapons and mechs have to be better then others. They are not constructive posts.

When I am in a fully armored Cataphract and two volleys from a LRM15 headshots me, something is wrong. When a Cat with Six SSRM2s cant miss and cores my cataphract in less than 10 seconds, something is wrong. I dont mind lrm and srm boats, but when you make them hit 100% and make LRM's able to headshot with only two volleys, something is really really wrong.

[RenegadeMaster]

I'm not a fan of these people either: