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[Rayspace]

The UAC 5 was finally worth using and it jammed plenty with the new reset system and you upped the jam percentage to make the weapon useless. I had just ONE uac 5 on my cataphract and it was not OP but it did do similar damage to other heavy mechs in the game each and every game I played. After the hotfix its pointless. It spends the entire match jammed, if I get three shots out of it that is the max statistical number before jam and it often jams right off the bat. The jamming and damage output was fine before the hotfix. The increase in jamming maybe could have gone up a little but not to the extent it was pushed. Not everyone boats with the UAC5 and now I cannot use it or recommend it to anyone for any reason. This was an ill considered nerf.

[Zyllos]

I think increasing the jamming percentage was the worst idea about balancing it.

Reduce the jamming chance back to what it was then increase the jamming time to 10s or more (I am thinking more like 20s). This forces you to think if you want to double tap for that extra damage for the chance of jamming for a while.

[TostitoBandito]

Even with it jamming 25% of the time on a double-tap for 4 seconds, it's still extremely good, with by far the most heat efficiency and dps of any of the small AC's. Here's a comparison of damage over time:

Over 15 seconds of continuous fire:

UAC5:
0.0 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
1.1 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
2.2 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
3.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
7.3 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
8.4 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
9.5 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
10.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
14.6 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat

Total: 80 dmg, 16 heat


AC5:
0.0 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
1.7 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
3.4 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
5.1 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
6.8 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
8.5 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
10.2 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
11.9 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
13.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
15.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat

Total: 50 dmg, 10 heat


AC2:
0.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
0.5 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
1.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
etc...

Total: 62 dmg, 31 heat


If anything, PGI is going to reduce rate-of-fire (or impulse/cockpit shake) of small AC's across the board, not make these even better.

[Vexgrave Lars]

The UAC5 is ballast and nothing more.

Go with 2 X AC/2s 3 tons more.. no shenanigans.

[Schlaung]

Oh no, you actually have to pay attention when you're firing it. Tragic.

[Roland]

The uac5 is an amazingly good weapon now. If you think it is worthless, then I don't know what to tell you other than you are doing it wrong.

[Vexgrave Lars]

WORTH..L..E..S..S.. 4 salvos and it jams.. out of commission.. worthless t u r d.

I am probably doing it wrong.. so is the OP.

Pay more, it weighs more, it cost more for ammo, and it has a chance (Better than blackjack odds for the casino) of being a fishing rod at any time for a random, though short enough amount of time to die.

Pass.. 2 X AC2 thanks! (not to mention the 200 Meter range difference)

Edited by Vexgrave Lars, 24 November 2012 - 10:19 PM.

[TostitoBandito]

Vexgrave Lars, on 24 November 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

WORTH..L..E..S..S.. 4 salvos and it jams.. out of commission.. worthless t u r d.

I am probably doing it wrong.. so is the OP.

Pay more, it weighs more, it cost more for ammo, and it has a chance (Better than blackjack odds for the casino) of being a fishing rod at any time for a random, though short enough amount of time to die.

Pass.. 2 X AC2 thanks! (not to mention the 200 Meter range difference)

In those 4 salvos you just did more damage than you would have by firing 2x AC2's for the same amount of time PLUS the duration of the jam, and produced a lot less heat as an added bonus. And you saved 3 tons and have another ballistics hardpoint free.

[CocoaJin]

I still love my UAC/5s. They arent my main AC, they supplement my AC2s in a seperate weapon group for once I have a target solution locked or the target is stationary.

Yeah they jam occasionally, but its generally acceptable.

What sucks is that its hard to place shots. Due to the horrible netcode, you cant go off of actual weapon impacts because that doesnt mean you are actually hitting. You have to go off the little hit indicator, but now you have no idea where you are hitting, or which rounds are actually hitting(in my case, is it the UAC/5s or the AC2s...is it both?).

[TostitoBandito]

CocoaJin, on 24 November 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

I still love my UAC/5s. They arent my main AC, they supplement my AC2s in a seperate weapon group for once I have a target solution locked or the target is stationary.

Yeah they jam occasionally, but its generally acceptable.

What sucks is that its hard to place shots. Due to the horrible netcode, you cant go off of actual weapon impacts because that doesnt mean you are actually hitting. You have to go off the little hit indicator, but now you have no idea where you are hitting, or which rounds are actually hitting(in my case, is it the UAC/5s or the AC2s...is it both?).

There are some convergence issues with the arms on the CTF-4X, which make this seem worse. Still, the 2x UAC5 2x AC2 build is silly powerful at the moment. You just put them each in a group and put each group on one mouse button. Aiming will get easier after they make the projectile speeds faster which they said they are doing in the next patch. It will also make the speed difference between teh UAC5 and AC2 less noticable.

[Horned Bull]

honestly it's funny they nerfed UAC5 when streaks are still out there (not to mention gauss).

[RragnarR40k]

TostitoBandito, on 24 November 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Even with it jamming 25% of the time on a double-tap for 4 seconds, it's still extremely good, with by far the most heat efficiency and dps of any of the small AC's. Here's a comparison of damage over time:

Over 15 seconds of continuous fire:

UAC5:
0.0 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
1.1 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
2.2 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
3.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
7.3 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
8.4 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
9.5 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
10.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
14.6 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat

Total: 80 dmg, 16 heat


AC5:
0.0 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
1.7 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
3.4 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
5.1 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
6.8 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
8.5 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
10.2 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
11.9 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
13.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
15.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat

Total: 50 dmg, 10 heat


AC2:
0.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
0.5 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
1.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
etc...

Total: 62 dmg, 31 heat


If anything, PGI is going to reduce rate-of-fire (or impulse/cockpit shake) of small AC's across the board, not make these even better.

Not sure if you realize this, but the UAC doesn't do doublefire like when you doubleclicked and got double fire. Press and hold the button and it'll shoot faster than a normal AC but not the doubleshots...

[Asmosis]

TostitoBandito, on 24 November 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

If anything, PGI is going to reduce rate-of-fire (or impulse/cockpit shake) of small AC's across the board, not make these even better.

actually they're leaving the ac2 where it is and buffing everything else (cept maybe uac5 now).

RragnarR40k, on 25 November 2012 - 05:34 AM, said:

Not sure if you realize this, but the UAC doesn't do doublefire like when you doubleclicked and got double fire. Press and hold the button and it'll shoot faster than a normal AC but not the doubleshots...

not sure if you realize this, but the double tap second shot requires server side authentication just like any other shot and yes holding down the button does fire off two rounds in quick succession. The gap between doubleshot depends on your ping x2.

[White Bear 84]

TostitoBandito, on 24 November 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

In those 4 salvos you just did more damage than you would have by firing 2x AC2's for the same amount of time

If the shots hit

[RragnarR40k]

Asmosis, on 25 November 2012 - 05:40 AM, said:

actually they're leaving the ac2 where it is and buffing everything else (cept maybe uac5 now).



not sure if you realize this, but the double tap second shot requires server side authentication just like any other shot and yes holding down the button does fire off two rounds in quick succession. The gap between doubleshot depends on your ping x2.

That sounds right, but the doubletap shot is quicker than holding down the mousebutton to my experience. Anyway not trying to troll so I'll leave it at that.

I made a suggestion in the suggestions thread on changing the UAC line so that when you hold your mouse button you get slightly faster firerate then normal AC's at fi. 10% jam chance and when you doubletap you get the real fast extra shots but at an increased jam chance, say 20 or 25%.

This way you can choose to play more unsafe but have a chance of cranking out extra damage when needed.

[invictusalex]

Shoot by cooldown, dont just click-click-click-mouse-button, use skill, dont whine

[Shelgeyr]

To all those claiming that the answer to UAC5 jams is "don't double-fire", be aware that the jam can occur even when the pilot is attempting to single-fire.

True story: I just recently put a pair of UAC5s on an Atlas and on my very first attempt to fire them, they both jammed. I wish I'd taken a screenshot, but you'll just have to take my word on this. Or, use them for a few matches and see for yourself.

[River Walker]

TostitoBandito, on 24 November 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

Even with it jamming 25% of the time on a double-tap for 4 seconds, it's still extremely good, with by far the most heat efficiency and dps of any of the small AC's. Here's a comparison of damage over time:

Over 15 seconds of continuous fire:

UAC5:
0.0 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
1.1 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
2.2 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
3.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
7.3 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
8.4 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
9.5 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat
10.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat, jam
14.6 - 5+5 dmg, 1+1 heat

Total: 80 dmg, 16 heat


AC5:
0.0 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
1.7 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
3.4 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
5.1 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
6.8 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
8.5 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
10.2 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
11.9 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
13.6 - 5 dmg, 1 heat
15.3 - 5 dmg, 1 heat

Total: 50 dmg, 10 heat


AC2:
0.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
0.5 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
1.0 - 2 dmg, 1 heat
etc...

Total: 62 dmg, 31 heat


If anything, PGI is going to reduce rate-of-fire (or impulse/cockpit shake) of small AC's across the board, not make these even better.

Did you all so figure out the rate that dos not hit because of NET CODE SHIELD .
If you did I bite it would be haft of the number you posted. as in from 80 to more like 40
The UAC5 is a Junk Gun now.

[Kobura]

Shelgeyr, on 25 November 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

To all those claiming that the answer to UAC5 jams is "don't double-fire", be aware that the jam can occur even when the pilot is attempting to single-fire.

True story: I just recently put a pair of UAC5s on an Atlas and on my very first attempt to fire them, they both jammed. I wish I'd taken a screenshot, but you'll just have to take my word on this. Or, use them for a few matches and see for yourself.

^If they modified this such that they didn't penalize for single-firing, the weapon would be perfect perfect perfect. My only current issue is jamming even for cautious pilots.

Also, according to RL-weapon rules, the jammed shot should still go off and jam afterwards, unless the weapon's fittings and tolerances are bugged... which I really hope isn't what's being patterned off of. A "jam" occurs when the empty casing fails to eject, or the weapon fails to strip a new round from its' ammo magazine. I haven't used the UAC5 enough to figure out if the "jam" consumes a shot either, which it probably shouldn't in either case.

[Shelgeyr]

While in Ft Knox for training, I had the dubious 'pleasure' of spending some quality time on the range with the "grease gun" (a .45 submachine gun). Some of the magazines had been mishandled and the dents caused the bullets to not align properly. When the weapon's bolt slammed forward, the bullets got jammed against the edge of the receiving end of the barrel instead of sliding neatly into it. In essence, each jam ruined the bullet that was supposed to have been fired.

In-game, when the UAC5 jams, a round is expended without being fired. In my example above, of my first trigger pull jamming my UAC5s, I had both weapons highlighted in red and 98 rounds remaining of my original 100.