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[TheMightyWashburn]

Not cleaning this forum up more. They let people groan and moan about things MOST of them know nothing about. (game development) Well it isnt frakking easy. You think they just want to steal your money and give you a ****** product? THINK AGAIN! "They are just rolling in that 5 million dollars!" No.. no no no they arent. Okay, this game has been in development for about 18 months. Game devs make somewhere between 80 and 120k a year. They have about 50 devs. So they have just been able to make payroll. Now, I dont pretend to know their finances. But my point is that they obviously arent doing as well at notch with minecraft (1 person with $60M+ gross)

I think they need to do like other forums do and take a proactive approach to informing the community of development difficulties so that you ignorant masses better understand why you cant "just fix it". They are.. this is what fixing it + new content looks like. And if you say they should fix it first, you dont understand programming at all. Everytime you add something thousands of new problems, many small, but a few big ones, are created. They cant fix it then add stuff cause they would have to fix it again every single time. As is it is more than playable, it is enjoyable with less bugs than many "golden" released games you pay 60 bucks for.

[Tennex]

league of legends does it fine

also wow. i didn't know game devs made that much money

Edited by Tennex, 25 November 2012 - 09:09 PM.

[JimSuperBleeder]

LoL is a very simple game in comparison.

[Felicitatem Parco]

The transition from Closed Beta to Open Beta is being accompanied with an increase in administrative activities, although it takes significant time for everything to get up to full-swing. I can only ask you to please bear with the situation and watch as things improve over the course of the next several months. I greatly appreciate your support for this game and the developmental efforts behind it, and I know you're only posting with good intentions, however there are sections on the forum specifically for offering Suggestions to the Developers, as well as dedicated sections for discussing the latest Patch, getting Support, generally discusisng the game, etc.

Let's hope this discussion procedes smoothly.

[Broceratops]

120k? they're not google. and its canada. if their devs make 70 they'd count themselves lucky.

[Vlad Ward]

If I recall correctly, I believe you joined during Open Beta so you probably missed out on the interaction we had during Closed Beta. Suffice to say, it was a lot more prevalent. We had constant, immediate Dev responses to just about everything that wasn't repost #573.

With that said, there are certain limits to be expected in the moderation of just about any official video game forum. There's a reason a lot of people drift over to third-party forums to actually discuss video games. That's not a shot at the mods - rather, I'm sure some of them wish they could go nuts swinging the banhammer of perpetual doom around like third-party forum mods can. Alas, whenever banning posters corresponds to losing customers, such powers tend to be used sparingly.

Back to Dev communication - I think PP covered the gist of it. We used to see the Devs around all the time. After Open Beta hit, they seem to have gotten a heck of a lot busier (which makes sense), and the light-speed thread turnover of General Discussion can make picking threads to reply to pretty difficult.

Example: We had some awesome Dev and Lead Dev responses to a thread about game mechanics just a couple days ago, where they outlined the Critical Hit system in full among a few other things. That thread is now buried underneath mountains of useless crap. I'm betting the vast majority of GD never even saw it.

Edited by Vlad Ward, 25 November 2012 - 09:23 PM.

[CeeKay Boques]

Maybe a "Yellow tracker" similar to Blizz's Blue Tracker, where I can see the posts commented on by Devs? Maybe a lil' PGI symbol next to that thread says "This thread has a response worth reading." Not that you all don't, its just that... not all of you...do.

[Vlad Ward]

Technoviking, on 25 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Maybe a "Yellow tracker" similar to Blizz's Blue Tracker, where I can see the posts commented on by Devs? Maybe a lil' PGI symbol next to that thread says "This thread has a response worth reading." Not that you all don't, its just that... not all of you...do.

http://mwomercs.com/...eloper-tracker/

A bit roundabout, but lets you stalk any dev you want.

[Apoc1138]

Technoviking, on 25 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Maybe a "Yellow tracker" similar to Blizz's Blue Tracker, where I can see the posts commented on by Devs? Maybe a lil' PGI symbol next to that thread says "This thread has a response worth reading." Not that you all don't, its just that... not all of you...do.

you mean like this one;
http://mwomercs.com/...eloper-tracker/

[MrPenguin]

Apoc1138, on 25 November 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:

you mean like this one;
http://mwomercs.com/...eloper-tracker/

You're 2 minutes late, you should be ashamed of yourself!

[Lin Shai]

Broceratops, on 25 November 2012 - 09:14 PM, said:

120k? they're not google. and its canada. if their devs make 70 they'd count themselves lucky.

I have no idea about Canada, but in the US $120k is not "google money". That's pretty much what a decent senior engineer makes +/- $10k (Unless you're in SF/NY/DC in which case it's more to adjust for cost of living). Jr. level software engineers with a clue make $60k-ish in most areas due to demand and lack of qualified applicants.

Edited by Lin Shai, 25 November 2012 - 09:38 PM.

[CeeKay Boques]

Those are ok, but if you click, say Paul, the first one on the list is for pony from a year ago, because that is the most current thread which he has posted in, AND any one else has, but then I found the "by post" button, that made it more by date. The little PGI icon would make those threads easy to see though...

[Felicitatem Parco]

If you want to see who's been posting what, you can go to someone's profile and click the "Find Content" button to see what topics and posts they've made recently. Also, keep in mind that posting yesterday in a year-old thread is quite different from not posting since last year. You might want to look at the Command Chair seciton of the forums for some nice, relatively fresh Deviness.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 25 November 2012 - 09:49 PM.

[Apoc1138]

MrPenguin, on 25 November 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

You're 2 minutes late, you should be ashamed of yourself!

i know, ninja'd while I was looking for the thread link to post... I am ashamed of myself, though not for that

[Noigatnoc]

Tennex, on 25 November 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

league of legends does it fine

also wow. i didn't know game devs made that much money

league of legends is a very simple game and it is NOT free of bugs...and WoW..dont even get me started..that game has NEVER been balanced... *end rant*

[Aurien Titus]

I would have gone for the fact that they can't even get patch notes correct. Yes, lets add whole new mechanics and not tell anyone. Or say we're going to do one thing with heatsinks, then do something completely different. And once again, must keep quiet about changes. Can't have those pesky players knowing what we're doing. It's like they have no idea what's even in their patches.

Edited by Aurien Titus, 25 November 2012 - 10:04 PM.

[DevilJade]

Noigatnoc, on 25 November 2012 - 10:00 PM, said:

league of legends is a very simple game and it is NOT free of bugs...and WoW..dont even get me started..that game has NEVER been balanced... *end rant*

I really enjoy the effort you poured into this post. You provide several statements with zero information.

[Sifright]

TheMightyWashburn, on 25 November 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Not cleaning this forum up more. They let people groan and moan about things MOST of them know nothing about. (game development) Well it isnt frakking easy. You think they just want to steal your money and give you a ****** product? THINK AGAIN! "They are just rolling in that 5 million dollars!" No.. no no no they arent. Okay, this game has been in development for about 18 months. Game devs make somewhere between 80 and 120k a year. They have about 50 devs. So they have just been able to make payroll. Now, I dont pretend to know their finances. But my point is that they obviously arent doing as well at notch with minecraft (1 person with $60M+ gross)

I think they need to do like other forums do and take a proactive approach to informing the community of development difficulties so that you ignorant masses better understand why you cant "just fix it". They are.. this is what fixing it + new content looks like. And if you say they should fix it first, you dont understand programming at all. Everytime you add something thousands of new problems, many small, but a few big ones, are created. They cant fix it then add stuff cause they would have to fix it again every single time. As is it is more than playable, it is enjoyable with less bugs than many "golden" released games you pay 60 bucks for.

Game devs make between 60-120k?

Are you insane?

try between 22-80k for the vast majority of people that work in the industry big name players in the industry will top out at more than that because they usually created the studio they are working at.

tl dr;

people with no idea talk about complexity and costs whilst being wrong

[Idzy]

Biggest mistake to date, going open beta while the game is still in an alpha state, the public should not be seeing this, even the hard core fans shouldn't be seeing it yet.

[Teralitha]

Yes, open beta was the worst mistake, not this other thing... but its too late now. The game suffers.