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[Virisken]

Rejarial Galatan, on 27 November 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

see, this is why I in all likely hood will never buy MC or anything MC related once I burn my MC on Mechs once Clans become playable. I am cool with buying a vanity item, and then OWNING said vanity item for the lifetime of the game, but, renting it? that is where I draw my personal line in the sand.

thats excactly my point. i was very excited about the paintjob, but the current system is not the way i will pay for some colours on my mech. to spent (a lot) mc for some colours and schemes everytime i want to change the look of my mech is just to much.

it should be possible to unlock a paint with mc and then use it as often as you want, same for camo. i would even spent 500-1000 mc for that..just to now it belongs to me..and is not rent and erased as soon i like to try an other look.

they could still make some money, if there is a little charge to repaint your mech (100-200 mc?).

but the current system is too expensive and unfair..i wont spend some money for that

[Flapdrol]

Camo with a color or a mech bay, hmmm.

Piranha games is really making it hard for themselves, if they lower prices or change it so you buy colors and camos permanently the people that have spent stuff will not be happy. Also, PC gamer black, free, Premium black (same color) is 250 MC.

on the other hand I'm pleasantly surprised you can apply some basic colors with just cbills.

Edited by Flapdrol, 28 November 2012 - 08:29 AM.

[ForceUser]

BigMooingCow, on 28 November 2012 - 07:20 AM, said:

Why is this strange to you? It's a new feature, and it's crippled (like many things in MWO) by monetization.

wait wat? You want the paint to be free? You want COSMETIC items to be FREE?

Wat planet are you from mate?

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The GUI has no effect on gameplay and is technically optional, too. All we REALLY need is a series of EXE's and config files. We certainly don't need pictures of our mechs or any of that fluff. But it's nice, right? A cool feature? Same here. I don't really need to paint my mech, but it would be cool. I'd enjoy it. It would make the game more fun.

Again, wat? The GUI is the Grpahic User Interface. This includes stuff like being able to select a weapon, drag it on to your chassi and klicking the save button to save the layout. The gui makes everything go FASTER, more efficent and easier to understand. That is the main function of a GUI.

Explain to me how being able to paint your mech a different paint scheme makes the game Easier to play, faster and more efficient to accomplish stuff like configuring your mech or selecting nerw mechs etc?

Wow, this one is just.. out there.

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Have you tried to paint your mech? The game quoted me 900K. For paint. For 900K I could outfit an assault mech with DHS and weapons. Only an interior decorator would find 900K reasonable for paint.

You are.. very incrrect here buddy. DHS on ANY mech cost.. 1 500k. That's almsot DOUBLE what you jsut said. and an ATLAS with say, a Gauss (600k) 2 SRM6 (120k each I think), and 4 Medium lasers (80k Each) is a total of 1 160k

So yea, explain to me how 900k = 2 660k?

Math it seems can be hard sometimes.

[Aegis Kleais]

Muffinator, on 28 November 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

I think camo costs should probably be less than half what they are now. I would have bought skins and colours for all of my mechs if they were around 50-100mc but with the current cost I'm reluctant to buy anything except the basic colours - so if I'm a typical user you would probably make a lot more money by charging less.

It cost me $1.50 to change to a 3-color basic skin. $1.50!! That is NOTHING. Paint 3 items on my TF2 character would ahve cost me $6! ($2 a can of paint)

Customization and Convenience are the 2 areas where PGI can make themselves money, and it doesn't affect the game in any tangible way. I'm actually thankful that PGI didn't gouge players on this.

The Franken Skin is 750MC + 250MC (max) per color. That's 1500MC at most for a SKIN (not basic) At 250MC/$1, that's $6. Again, TF2 would have charged $15 for coloring 3 items with "rare" colors.

[Lanessar]

Let's skip the inevitable logic posts which use real-life analogies like painting a car and being charged for it.

These are pixels. Changing them is as easy as clicking on a box.

I personally may paint one mech, and only one. A color scheme for a single mech, single use, can cost up to double the amount that a mech bay (which stays open for as long as you own the account). I would not mind unlocks "per mech" (i.e. 150MC to unlock black for my Jenner, permanently, on any of the three channels, another 200 MC for the Franken color scheme).

But for a one-use, overwritten scenario, I will never use the camo spec as it exists. That is literally the worst use I've ever seen in a F2P game. In fact, I literally can't think of an analogy here, as it is totally mind-boggling that someone would consider that a large number of people would continue to use their MC in such a way.

[Tice Daurus]

In a weird way, because the Awesome was having problems with their camo skins and paint selection, I couldn't use them. However, once reading this stuff that the prices were too expensive and that once purchased, if you make any changes to camo skins or colors and they are not reuseable and you have to spend for them all over AGAIN...it's ridiculous. I purchased more MC so I could start using camo skins and colors, but not if they are this expensive and not if they are not reusable once purchased.

I'd go no more than say small micro transactions of a dollar's worth of MC for colors and you keep each color or camo skins and you are able to reuse them whenever you want.

Until they are reduced in price and reusable, no way am I purchasing them.

Think about this...if you charged the current prices now, and say you had 20 mechs and wanted them all the same similar color paint scheme? Do you know how much money it would be at current prices? In the neighborhood of 2 dollars per mech of MC, that's 40 bucks. Say you want to change them again? Another 40 bucks. Say you join a merc unit and they all had a mech scheme they want to use to designate them as such. That means changing AGAIN...and another 40 bucks for all 20 mechs you own. That is a crapload of money to dish out! That's way too much.

[Tasorin]

ollo, on 28 November 2012 - 04:18 AM, said:

Let's face tha facts: it's the dev's decision for now. If they stick with this model, I and many others will stick with their money. And many won't realize what the model actually is and will come here to complain that they were robbed - so i don't see how this model will do anything good for their reputation or their wallet.

Actually it's not the Dev's decision its the business guys making the decision based on feedback from the developers on what they can accomplish during what type of time frame. Since anytime you call out PGI by name you get your post deleted or thread locked, I think we all know who is in charge over at PGI for the business model decisions.

Personally PGI, you just missed another $120 of my money that I spent on Star Citizen and the Steam sales that I would of spent on MW;O had this Title not been in such shambles in terms of a business model and critical game mechanic defects.

[Catalinasgrace]

I posted this in another thread but I will post my opinion here as well...

"Well after reading a few posts/threads am I understanding this correctly???

If I were to pay the 700 MCs that this paint will cost me it does not save it for later use? So just to be clear here... I buy this paint and later I would like an additional paint I lose the first one that I paid 700 MCs for?

If that is the case I will not spend a single MC for paints EVER...

I completely understand that this company needs to make money, however the business model for this is utter failure in the making... I have owned many companies over the years and this is a rocky and unstable path to say the least. They would make more money in the long run by allowing people to create their custom paints and keep them like they do weapons, hula girls, ect. Make them swapable for that chasis and something that you keep, however set it up to where if they want changes or different colors they must make a new scheme. That would be a better and more profitable path IMO..."

[Kyzrati]

Agreed. I wouldn't buy a scheme under the current system, either.

[Verminaard]

I've noticed this too, and it's driving me nuts. STD Heatsinks, first time me and my buddies saw that we all started cracking up on T.S. . Its an unnecessary change and looks bad(IMO). And the colors in the mechlab are so limmited that colors I assumed would be in, multiple blues, reds, greens and yellows are not, only a single or two of each. We can't recreate the atlas's original colors. (BTW I believe ALL of them were that red, not just two).

Please give the "STD" the long version Standard again!

[Corvus Antaka]

Tice Daurus, on 28 November 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

In a weird way, because the Awesome was having problems with their camo skins and paint selection, I couldn't use them. However, once reading this stuff that the prices were too expensive and that once purchased, if you make any changes to camo skins or colors and they are not reuseable and you have to spend for them all over AGAIN...it's ridiculous. I purchased more MC so I could start using camo skins and colors, but not if they are this expensive and not if they are not reusable once purchased.

I'd go no more than say small micro transactions of a dollar's worth of MC for colors and you keep each color or camo skins and you are able to reuse them whenever you want.

Until they are reduced in price and reusable, no way am I purchasing them.

Think about this...if you charged the current prices now, and say you had 20 mechs and wanted them all the same similar color paint scheme? Do you know how much money it would be at current prices? In the neighborhood of 2 dollars per mech of MC, that's 40 bucks. Say you want to change them again? Another 40 bucks. Say you join a merc unit and they all had a mech scheme they want to use to designate them as such. That means changing AGAIN...and another 40 bucks for all 20 mechs you own. That is a crapload of money to dish out! That's way too much.

what he said.

[Zolthar]

I agree that I feel riped off if I have to buy again a camo that I have unlocked with real money, I can live with wasting my C-Bill on repainting my mech. But having to buy back camo that I have switched out... no thanks.

Take League of Legends for exemple, they have lots of alternative Skins for the heros you have. I must buy those skins with real money. But once you bought them, they are YOURS, and you can swap them out as long as you want. I must have spend around 200$ in skins over 3 years.

But you will not see me spend 200$ on swapping the same skin I have already paid for in MWO...

I bought the Phreaken Skins for my Cataphract, but now I understand that if I want to put an other camo, I'll have to paid again to go back to Phreaken again???


So if I understand right, PGI decided to make a game to milk the money out of a fan base? We are in the Beta, an unfinished game, and yet we have to pay good amount of money to not buy, but to "rent" a camo spec???



Sorry but you are not encouraging people to join your game...


The gameplay is ok, but the money ripping strategy is becoming too much now...

Don't forget that Mechwarrior Living Legends is out there aswell, and it's free... Yes you have to buy Crisis, but for about the same price as a rented camo spec in MWO....

Edited by Zolthar, 28 November 2012 - 11:04 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

Im running a cataphract atm as my main mech, getitng all skilsl and such. But all the new paint jobs and in cokcpit items use MC..no CR.

I hate cash shops/microtransaction in games somthing feirce..so ill never be using MC. I would rather pay a subscription or buy the game in a one of payment like games like BF3 and mmo's like Tera. However due to MWO current limited scale ..its a small game ..i cannot se a subscription working. A one of payment ot buy the game owuld be fine, and theo nly reason not to go that way would be for making money. Normal FPS games manage to have multiplayer like MWO has with a 1 time payment so why not MWO.

Anyway my point is , you need to make things available for CR aswell ..even if the prices are stupidly high .. you need to make whats available for MC availabe with CR ..otherwise you will end up alienating to bigger portion of your 'possible' player base. To much MC only content ..even if it rarely affects gameplay ..will make MWO's reputation become another P2W game title that gets droped by everyone other than those who have money to burn.. and those games inevitably fail.

[Yemaya]

Because I was a little bit shocked, that I have to buy every color again and again for every Mech and for every change and same on Camoflage I made this poll to collect oppinons in this point.

[MustrumRidcully]

Thank god I got the PC Gamer Skin! At least I can get away from the ugly base colors they are using now for free.

But I am not really convinced yet to invest in any of the available non-free options. It's all a bit too limited and to expensive for my taste when I change my mind.

Edited by MustrumRidcully, 28 November 2012 - 10:31 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

I miss the old Atlas color, too. Especially the old Closed Beta ones with the glowing eyes. They'll probably give them back to us - for MC.

[EnigmaNL]

I can think of one reason why they did this: money.

If you think your 'mech is ugly you are more likely to spend MC to customize it.

Don't expect the good old colours to return. Would be awesome if they did though.

[Toothless]

Its a pretty **** move on their part. : / Fan of the game they are making and I think its awesome, but this is silly.

[Skwisgaar Skwigelf]

Any chance we can get a black or gray added to the basic colors list?

[Morang]

And I want them to finally standartize all default colors. It was already done with Commando, Jenner, Centurion, Catapult and Atlas. Raven, Cicada and Cataphract were already launched with current standard color. But Hunchback, Dragon and Awesome are still pending. There are CB-priced basic colors to paint your mech, and looks like default paint schemes have more than one color, so you have some freedom.

I only want them do add sixth color to basic colors. Currently we have red, blue, green, orange and purple basic colors for 5 Great Houses, but no Cyan for Rasalhague. And also they should switch basic orange to yellow, it suits Davion more and also is the sixth color of RGB/CMY models