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[Icebound]

Once knockdowns come back you're going to have 90% of light pilots crying about being underpowered or just switching to heavier mechs.

Problem solved.

[Sifright]

I can't wait to see ECM introduced into the game.

So many light mech pilots are going to see my A1 and go

"hohohohoho, Foolish enemy running a streak cat I shall eat him for dinner."

They will be in for a shock when I anhillate them with a 36 missile salvo of SRMS D:

[Johnathan McKenna]

I'm just confused as to why ECM is going on the JR7-D, it seem's to me that it would make a lot more sense on the JR7-K considering it loses a weapon hardpoint and the only jenner in lore that can carry ecm is based on the K.

[Kotrin]

p00k, on 27 November 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

why? my money's on garth being a jenner pilot lobbying for it *ahem*

It would be indecorous, but definitely makes sense.

[Daycrist Bloodfang]

White Bear 84, on 28 November 2012 - 03:56 AM, said:

lets be honest, what will the two crits sacrifice? Armor, speed or firepower.. ..got an ECM to counter and its a weaker jenner. end of story. x

Actually a Jenner 7 D pilot in my group said he wouldn't be sacriicing anything for ECM just drop AMS and ammo for it

[Ragor]

H3rtz, on 27 November 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

I dont understand, is it in the lore?, All Ravens and maybe the Commando and the Atlas... But the Jenner? the hit-harder of the scouts with ECM? Really? ECM is looking awesome... but with a Lag shielded Jenner is going to be OP.

Farmer, on 27 November 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

Not in lore for another twenty years. At this point, I don't understand why they even bothered to include the Raven. The JR7-D is a better mech, all around. There is really no need for the Raven if you can drop the EW equipment on the Jenner. It's faster, has MORE hardpoints, and jump jets. Yes, hard point locations are nice, but as it is Streaks fit fine, and a speed Jenner doesn't need more space for missiles.

Same thoughts on my side.

My I point out another thread? http://mwomercs.com/...th-gecm-option/

Yes, it already too late to change anything like this. But still...

[PurpleNinja]

Because devs want it.

[Sifright]

Daycrist Bloodfang, on 28 November 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Actually a Jenner 7 D pilot in my group said he wouldn't be sacriicing anything for ECM just drop AMS and ammo for it

There is that too..

[Pale Jackal]

Vassago Rain, on 28 November 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

It won't do that. It'll make those variants must-haves, and suddenly you won't see the others anymore.

Which is why I said I think ECM currently is too powerful, and that it should be desirable, but not required. I do think its current strength is pushing it into "required" territory.

ECM is game-changing, and I like that, I really really do, but it's too game-changing, and it baffles me why BAP is so lackluster in comparison.

[Sudden Reversal]

Just say NO! to Jenner's and ECM.

Really.

[Broceratops]

To me, the streak cat has one main use right now - killing lights. Broceratops is not impressed with it's damage potential for a 65 ton mech otherwise. Although it is really easy to use so I guess if someone is laggy or a bad shot then it's the best mech for them. But with the netcode as it is, it's super awesome at killing lights, which is actually a very useful thing.

ECM on jenner D kind of screws over the whole build though because outside of the 180 to 270 range they literally have zero options vs a jenner. I think if you're going to give the jenner a ECM you have to give the A1 a ECM as well, so they can counter jenners still.

I dont use streakcats outside of leveling up the A1 so this is just my outsiders observation. i DO however play a jenner D and its already the king of lights so largely neutering its primary predator mech/weapon is a huge buff.

and btw weight is not at all an issue. you can easily drop a heatsink and 0.5 tons of armor to accommodate an ECM and remain very heat efficient, or just toss the AMS because you wont really need an AMS.

Edited by Broceratops, 28 November 2012 - 04:47 AM.

[MustrumRidcully]

Icebound, on 28 November 2012 - 04:20 AM, said:

Once knockdowns come back you're going to have 90% of light pilots crying about being underpowered or just switching to heavier mechs.

Problem solved.

Knockdowns were in Closed Beta, LIght pilots weren't crying then.

[Captain Midnight]

MustrumRidcully, on 28 November 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Knockdowns were in Closed Beta, LIght pilots weren't crying then.

They also weren't getting quadruple digit damage and single-handedly winning games on a REGULAR BASIS.

[Biruke]

There is no honor in beating a child

[Adridos]

MustrumRidcully, on 28 November 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Knockdowns were in Closed Beta, LIght pilots weren't crying then.

No, but we were actual scouts and skirmishers.

Before, only the actually great pilots could get a lot of kills in a Jenner, but nowdays with no knockaback, worse lagshield, bugged JJs and more ways to make amazing mechs even more amazing (DHS, ES,...) they pwn on regular basis.

Edited by Adridos, 28 November 2012 - 04:47 AM.

[Naotaka]

Uncomprehensable. Why would you run anything in a light striker/scout role except for a Jenner D? It has everything now. Such a shame for the Raven.

The only way they could fix this is if the Ravens would have some form of Mech specific pilot skill boosts that help their equipment.

[Icebound]

MustrumRidcully, on 28 November 2012 - 04:39 AM, said:

Knockdowns were in Closed Beta, LIght pilots weren't crying then.

Because they were dedicated and knew the risk right from the start. Most players have no idea how hard it will get for them once they're back in. It's not easy to control a 149km/h Jenner while weaving between a dozen mechs in a brawl. And you know that once you get knocked down as a Jenner there's a 50% chance of instant death before you regain control.

[Socondor]

I am wondering, why they suddenly decided to ignore the Lore/Timeline.
The best thing so far was the devs sticking to the actual BT Timeline.

But now, because Devs do play Jenner, it has to get ECM . . .

I am a Raven Pilot and not only because i find it the "best looking" Light Mech so far, but also because i was hoping on ECM being Raven exclusive therefore giving the Raven a place in the battle field.
I like to play a more Scoutish (is that a word?) way.
Therefore staying hidden in a place, giving the Team as much Intel as possible and if neccessary striking from behind.

And why am i not able to equip the Command Module into my Raven? I mean if the Atlas is able to, so should a Raven. And +1 for the JJ Atlas!

Edited by Socondor, 28 November 2012 - 04:51 AM.

[PurpleNinja]

Socondor, on 28 November 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

I am wondering, why they suddenly decided to ignore the Lore/Timeline.
The best thing so far was the devs sticking to the actual BT Timeline.

But now, because Devs do play Jenner, it has to get ECM . . .

I am a Raven Pilot and not only because i find it the "best looking" Light Mech so far, but also because i was hoping on ECM being Raven exclusive therefore giving the Raven a place in the battle field.
I like to play a more Scoutish (is that a word?) way.
Therefore staying hidden in a place, giving the Team as much Intel as possible and if neccessary striking from behind.

And why am i not able to equip the Command Module into my Raven? I mean if the Atlas is able to, so should a Raven. And +1 for the JJ Atlas!

Jenner is way better than Raven, better loadout, better engine and now ECM.
It's a shame mechs doesn't have roles on battlefield.

[Khobai]

They way I see it, ECM needs three fixes:

1) instead of reducing detection range to 200m it should reduce detection range to 640m
2) ECM should not affect BAP, so that way BAP will increase that 640m range detection back to 800m (making BAP and ECM effectively cancel eachother out)
3) ECM should not prevent missile lockons when its disrupting enemy mechs.

Those three changes would pretty much fix ECM while keeping BAP useful.