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[Ohari]

So I had some Cbills to burn and decided to try a 4x build instead of the new Jagermech.
I tried the 2x AC/5 and 2x UAC/5 thing...I didnt care too much for it...the UACs just jammed too much for sustained fire.

So I decided to go with a quad AC/5 build. I managed to squeeze in 4tons of ammo, 2 ML, and an SRM4 with 1ton of ammo. All with an XL250 engine and endo. This build works ok for me. I dont rack up the kills unless they stand still..BUT it does scare people off enough for my team to flank and win.

In the end, not a bad build, but not my fav

[Rodenthar Drothman]

I opted to ditch the 2 MLs and SRM and just shove it full of ammo for the 4x AC5s, so I can snipe with it... Unitl I realized I could put 2x Gauss in it. So, the quad AC5s have the chain fire factor, but for long range hitting, double gauss works better.

I DO, however, love runing 4x AC2. Just cram it so full of ammo I can chain fire 'till the cows come home. It freaks so many people out.

[USS Imperial]

I don't know about you guys, but I personally love having 2x LB-10X's and an AC-2. Plenty of ammo for both plus I have AMS for missiles. Serious damage that will stop any mech from going head to head save perhaps an atlas, highlander, or stalker. (Awesomes I have found, tend to back out of the fight)

[mark v92]

I love the 4x.

4 ac/5
2 ml
9 tons of ac5 ammo (270)
xl255 (59kmph without tweak)
no additional hs
armor 352/434
endo steel
DHS

im glad i started using the xl engine as its only 1 out of 20 times i get killed by a side torso shot.
frequently above 500 dmg and once had 1278 dmg.
key is to support your team in the beginning and dont walk up front. when people start dieing you can kill everything thats left by hitting the softer armor spots. if necessary you can practicly 1 vs 1 any mech and win. only real threat are lights. i rather face an atlas than a jenner.

[Aastarius]

Still new to the game and having tried a few mechs found I really like the "Muromets" (2xERPPC, 2xAC/5) and have started to get relatively decent with it. However, I can't for the life of me get a 4X to work any where near as well ... Obviously going to stick at it for the training skills but likely going to be ditching once basic skills completed.

[0Life]

When it came to the 4X, I found that sticking with the stock load out worked really well for me, as long as I did not try to act like I was some super mech. Did the LRM5 really do much more than annoy? Yes, but it was really effective when I would fire on the same targets as LRM boats. Not because it did much damage, but because it would distract the AMS of that target, or others nearby and allow the full salvo from someone else to get through.

Was 120 rounds for two AC5s low? Sometimes, depends on how active I got to be. Keeping up with the advance party was impossible, and even staying with the main body was difficult. That being said, I had to do everything I could to keep from being caught away from support. Any time I was getting too far away from the main battle group was when I got destroyed.

Was it slow? Yes. Did it have a technically low direct damage? Yes...ish. If you are getting a 4X into the 200m or less range, then I feel that you are doing it wrong, no matter your build. I found that staying at about the 300m-400m range was the sweet spot of that build, keeping moving and just using everything you have until you get to about 80% heat, then just chain fire the AC5s.

If you have played speed demon mechs, and you should really just avoid this chassis in general, but avoid the 4X most of all. If you are good with lumbering about, this can be a mech for you but only if you like ACs.

For the Dual Gauss build: Doable? Sure, but do not expect to carry much else at that point, and I would suggest picking up an XL engine. This way you can stay at range and have all of your free space dedicated to ammo. Even with that... you are likely going to run out of ammo anyways.

[Ceearem]

Hi

I am playing around with a CTF-4x right now (I overlooked the fact that it can only have a 255 engine when I bought the chassis ...). After mastering the cicada this is really a slow beast, but I think I like the quad AC2 setup. Currently I still got the stock engine in, but this is what I think I might want to go for as the final loadout:
http://mwo.smurfy-ne...6565993e15adcd1

The Quad AC2 gives you 14 seconds with more than 15DPS before overheating - and at a pretty high range as well, Thats enough punch to kill almost anything. 6 tons of amo should get you through a lot of fights as well. And you got the two MPLs which you can fire non stop if not using the ACs (or if they are out of ammo). The speed is good enough to not totally lag behind the main Assault force as well. Thats at least my take on it.

Thoughts?

[Ahasver]

I would suggest putting some of the AMMO to the Legs.

[LuInRei]

Rearranged it, for added safety http://mwo.smurfy-ne...367ba5a7b86d673

P.S. Just be sure to use those arms ammo before going in for a brawl.

Edited by LuInRei, 24 September 2013 - 01:05 AM.

[Hastur Azargo]

If I was you I'd switch out the twin MPLs for an ER LL for better long range duty (will cost an extra ton, I know). ER LLs work really well recently, especially with the reborn 4X zoom module. I remember hating the YLW until I discovered the 2xAC2 + ER LL build, which worked wonders as mobile fire support, and this 4X build improves on that design with a lot of additional sustained firepower.

[NRP]

Is Mack still around? The commentary in his videos used to crack me up.

[ho1mes]

I've been having fun with this build lately. Pretty much exactly the build Mack's using:

XL 255, AC5x2 (3T ammo), UAC5x2 (5T ammo), 384 armor.

With the recent UAC5 buffs (and nerf) this build is alot more viable. Especially now that the ammo per ton is the same as the regular old AC5. Tears stuff up. Big boost over the quad AC5 build in that you get that extra shot while the AC5s are on cool down. I'm an ardent supporter of the AC2x2 and UAC5x2 build, but this one has a lot more punch. I think this will be my new 4x build until the King Crab comes along (please?).

[audi man]

I've played several hundred rounds in my 4X, and IMO the quad ac5 build is the best.

I run it with an XL255, quad ac5 and 7 tonnes of ammo. If I survive the match, im usually out of ammo. A decent match will net you between 600 and 1000 damage if played well.

The most effetive way to KILL enemies with this mech I find, is to group the ac's into 2 groups of 2, and group fire them. i.e. I bind mouse 1 to group 1 (2x ac5 in the left arm) and mouse 2 to group 2 (2x ac5 in the right arm). This means you can shoot from behind cover with the arm that is poking out.

You neednt run any heatsinks and the efficiency is up over 1.8, so you can pretty much fire constantly until you have been killed or the enemy is dead.

I have tried 3xac5 and more ammo but its pointless, you will never live long enough to shell out 12-14 tonnes of ammo with 25% less dps.

I found I could net higher match damage with chain fire, but it doesnt get the kills. Better to group them in pairs and be effective.

Ac2 builds are just too hot to get kills. You have to spend all your time hiding behind your friends and playing suppression - I would much rather front up and take chunks out of the enemy.

Edited by gldgti, 04 November 2013 - 07:21 PM.

[TheDeckardCain]

Budor, on 01 December 2012 - 04:25 AM, said:

1/4 more damage? oO

this looks like a mech with atlas speed and inferior loadout

Of course its Atlas slow.... its a Cataphract 4x....

The only thing inferior about it really is the fact that its a 4X lol.

[Archie4Strings]

i bought the cataphract 4X as my first mech and after a few very dissapointing matches i learned about positioning.
This is the key to a successfull match with quad autocannons. I go for 4 AC5 and 7 tons of ammo, when i got enough c-bills i will also go for an xl-engine and a higher speed, which is the worse part of the 4x for me. You cannot hide behind something without getting tons of damage from other mechs.

The Ammo is enough, if not, the match is already over or i did so much damage, that i can lean back
So stay in a save position and then just shoot on everything you see! Let your team do the rest! It might sound boring cause its a bit like camping, but this is a more tactical game than many other shooters, and its the only effective way how to play the 4X.

I think a dual Gauss-Rifle building is to weak against medium or light mechs, but if i got few more c-bills left, i think i'll give it a try.

Edited by Archie4Strings, 10 December 2013 - 03:54 AM.

[Viscount Hood]

It's a fantastic mech, very versatile the only con is its a little slow. I started out with dual guass, 2ML until the changes to guass after which it got a little annoying. Then tried 4 x AC2, followed by 2 x AC/10 and 2 x MG which works well but is just like a Jagamech. Recently I've gone back to its roots with 3 x AC/5 + 1 MG, 2ML and 1 LRM5. Damage output is consistently 500+ which few other of my mechs achieve that easily.

Edited by Viscount Hood, 20 December 2013 - 08:52 AM.

[jslammer]

I enjoy the forums but I don't like how the community will sometimes slam players...They're just posting there build to see if it's good or not to the community.

[spr4wler]

Currently owning a 4X. Yes, you can win a direct boxing-match against an Atlas. But it's an allout 12-Round-Match. And you look like that.
The 4X is a Supporter. Stick with the Main, after contact search a better position an dish out with your ballistics. And have fun

[Ghastous]

any posts to a good setup would be cool as its always appreciated especially for new players like me

[Victor Morson]

Aastarius, on 31 July 2013 - 02:49 AM, said:

Still new to the game and having tried a few mechs found I really like the "Muromets" (2xERPPC, 2xAC/5) and have started to get relatively decent with it. However, I can't for the life of me get a 4X to work any where near as well ... Obviously going to stick at it for the training skills but likely going to be ditching once basic skills completed.

You can run that on a Cataphract 3D better (with jets). You should try 3x UAC/5 on the Muromets (3 UAC/5 3 Smalls + Standard is what I'm running but 3 UAC/5+3 ML is a pugging slaughterhouse) to get the most out of it's unique capabilities.