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[H3rtz]

I dont understand, is it in the lore?, All Ravens and maybe the Commando and the Atlas... But the Jenner? the hit-harder of the scouts with ECM? Really? ECM is looking awesome... but with a Lag shielded Jenner is going to be OP.

[Farmer]

Not in lore for another twenty years. At this point, I don't understand why they even bothered to include the Raven. The JR7-D is a better mech, all around. There is really no need for the Raven if you can drop the EW equipment on the Jenner. It's faster, has MORE hardpoints, and jump jets. Yes, hard point locations are nice, but as it is Streaks fit fine, and a speed Jenner doesn't need more space for missiles.

[p00k]

why? my money's on garth being a jenner pilot lobbying for it *ahem*

[Johnny Reb]

I fully agree on this, the "BEST" ratbird can only take a 285 the rest a paltry 245. So the best light gets this is telling us all why waste time on the available or the 2 light mechs you wanna release. Talk about the flea and spider dead on arrival!

[Operant]

No point in piloting the Raven. Jenner-D is a great mech.

[Lefty Lucy]

In canon installing ECM in *any* mech isn't a really difficult refit. Seeing as how stock mechs get tossed out the window as soon as you get out of trials, they're actually going *counter* lore by restricting ECM to certain chassis.

[FrostPaw]

Ravens, in order to make them more attractive, could be given ECM integration into the chassis for zero weight cost. Where as a Jenner would have to sacrifice some firepower, armor, speed or ammo to accommodate it. Whenever they also change Jump Jets to need more to be as useful this combination should help alleviate some of the concern.

[Adridos]

Lefty Lucy, on 28 November 2012 - 02:07 AM, said:

In canon installing ECM in *any* mech isn't a really difficult refit.

Are you sure? The FedCom is struggling just to recreate the tech in RVN-3L at the moment, and every single one they have they just dmp the lectronics and go for 2X refit.

TT!=lore as per se.

But I'm also against EW equipped Jenners, because that is plain imbalance against all lights out there. The only thing that would have a meaning to take over it are Clan lights.

Edited by Adridos, 28 November 2012 - 02:28 AM.

[Vassago Rain]

Johnny Reb, on 27 November 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

I fully agree on this, the "BEST" ratbird can only take a 285 the rest a paltry 245. So the best light gets this is telling us all why waste time on the available or the 2 light mechs you wanna release. Talk about the flea and spider dead on arrival!

I've been telling you all this since I got here. There's no reason to add more lights if we already have king light jenner.

[Orkhepaj]

so this is why i try to elit the raven... thx fu devs

[Daycrist Bloodfang]

According to Lore they couldn't fit an ECM on any Jenner until the year 3067 on the Jenner JR-10X

[Vassago Rain]

Daycrist Bloodfang, on 28 November 2012 - 02:34 AM, said:

According to Lore they couldn't fit an ECM on any Jenner until the year 3067 on the Jenner JR-10X

ECM isn't a magical piece of relic tech. You can put it on anything, like an XL engine.

[JumpingJackFlash]

Adridos, on 28 November 2012 - 02:26 AM, said:

Are you sure? The FedCom is struggling just to recreate the tech in RVN-3L at the moment, and every single one they have they just dmp the lectronics and go for 2X refit.

That's just the thing, though. Sarna even says that, from the very beginning, the Ravens have been designed to incorporate an ECM suite (granted, the 1X version was 7.5 tons). That the entire frakking point of using a Raven to begin with. I don't get their logic here. I really don't see any reason why someone would pick the Raven over a Jenner at this point.

[Arclight]

Depending on how much tech you shove into it, a Jenner will only fit a XL225/250. Ravens are perfectly viable, just like Jenners are without abusing the hell out of the lag shield. And the 3L strikes me as a more natural fit to squeeze lots of tech in (and be used in a support role), leaving the Jenner to skirmishing (more focused on fighting).

If everything could mount ECM, it goes right out the window as an interesting mechanic. Just becomes about which team mounts the most units then.

[Valder]

[Captain Midnight]

Vassago Rain, on 28 November 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

ECM isn't a magical piece of relic tech. You can put it on anything, like an XL engine.

lol. this deserved a quote a mockery quote.

[Orkhepaj]

JumpingJackFlash, on 28 November 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

That's just the thing, though. Sarna even says that, from the very beginning, the Ravens have been designed to incorporate an ECM suite (granted, the 1X version was 7.5 tons). That the entire frakking point of using a Raven to begin with. I don't get their logic here. I really don't see any reason why someone would pick the Raven over a Jenner at this point.

cause there is no reason at all , jenner gets the boost again ,stupid devs , 0 balance

[Daycrist Bloodfang]

Vassago Rain, on 28 November 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

ECM isn't a magical piece of relic tech. You can put it on anything, like an XL engine.

The Raven is a light electronic warfare BattleMech which, when it first debuted following the end of the Third Succession War, represented humanity's refusal to slide back technologically by being among the first truly original 'Mech designs produced in centuries.^[3] This technological marvel was an attempt by the Capellan Confederation to recreate the sophisticated technology once common during the Star League era. While the resulting electronic warfare device was a technical success, it proved too large and bulky to be installed on any existing 'Mechs. Desperate for any force multiplier, the Capellans decided build an entirely new 'Mech around the electronics, creating the first prototype Ravens.^[4]

quoted from Sarna

[Vassago Rain]

Daycrist Bloodfang, on 28 November 2012 - 02:40 AM, said:

The Raven is a light electronic warfare BattleMech which, when it first debuted following the end of the Third Succession War, represented humanity's refusal to slide back technologically by being among the first truly original 'Mech designs produced in centuries.^[3] This technological marvel was an attempt by the Capellan Confederation to recreate the sophisticated technology once common during the Star League era. While the resulting electronic warfare device was a technical success, it proved too large and bulky to be installed on any existing 'Mechs. Desperate for any force multiplier, the Capellans decided build an entirely new 'Mech around the electronics, creating the first prototype Ravens.^[4]

quoted from Sarna

It's the first platform for it. It's not a relic piece of gear.
There's no such thing in battletech.

There's no orcslaying deathdealer of godly might +21 AC5 that only goes on atlas.

[Rifter]

Garth can only core a atlas in three seconds he wants to be able to bring that down to below two.